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Always hopeful! said:
I don't think we are going to agree on that. I don't believe that the student that will be ostracized will agree with you. So, maybe we just have to agree to disagree. I personally don't think race or economic class holds a person back. We all have struggles but I don't think humiliating a student or any student helps.

This is NOT true about me but I will use myself as an example. Let's say I am a relapsing drug addict and I am in and out or rehab. Would I want my DD or DS used as a prop to show either DS or DD has "struggles" at home? Either one would be mortified at being used like that. That belongs with family, close friends or a doctor. Not in a classroom with young students or even high school students! That is an invasion of a persona's privacy.

Not everyone wants to tell everyone else their "struggles". I don't see any of my "struggles" to be the business of someone in a class if I was a student or as an adult. It really puts kids on the spot and it is unfair to do that to them. Perhaps we just disagree on this. I simply find this offensive and a huge invasion of a person's privacy.
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I can't speak to any thing other than what I witnessed and it was an empowering moment and nothing so deeply personal was used.
 
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Always hopeful! We need to start a "We're not going to take it anymore" thread on a yet to be in existence site called "Publicschoolforums.com" LOL! Apologies to USNAVY and best of luck on the waitlist!
 
Lol, thank you nodiva. Ahhh....to have a crystal ball right now. I'd even be happy with somebody telling me how many kids are on the wait list and historically, how many kids on average get pulled off the wait list and given an Appointment. Oh, and I'd really be happy to know what number my DS is on the waitlist. Think that's too much to ask? (now that's one question I do know the answer to, lol.)
 
nodiva said:
Always hopeful! We need to start a "We're not going to take it anymore" thread on a yet to be in existence site called "Publicschoolforums.com" LOL! Apologies to USNAVY and best of luck on the waitlist!
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That sounds like a plan to me!
I guess I am preoccupied with things and wondered way off topic!
Many apologies to others. I didn't mean to hi-jack this to an off topic as I did.
I also wish others the VERY BEST.
Have a GREAT DAY!
 
nodiva said:
A follow up: When I picked her up from school after the "Privilege Walk" she said, "Mom, the only way it could've been worse was if I was a male." OUCH!

That night, my DH and I took the "privilege walk" based on where we were at her age (14). She was shocked to see how "non-privileged" I was. Parents divorced. 5 different elementary schools, blah blah blah. . . mind you--all things I NEVER EVEN KNEW MADE ME "NON-PRIVILEGED"--it was GREAT for my DD to see that neither parents were "advantaged" and she thanked us so much for providing a better life for her and her sibs. So, in the end, you are correct--it's what the parents model that truly teaches the lessons. I'll be damned if I'm going to turn my kids over to their "educators" to do this job!
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Well done, nodiva, well done!! That was exactly the antidote that your daughter needed after that poisonous, dispiriting, demoralizing dose of victimhood ideology. Fortunately Abraham Lincoln was never exposed to the "Privilege Walk" or he might have been so downtrodden by his lack of privilege that he might have just remained in his log cabin instead of making himself into something.
 
USANavy said:
Lol, thank you nodiva. Ahhh....to have a crystal ball right now. I'd even be happy with somebody telling me how many kids are on the wait list and historically, how many kids on average get pulled off the wait list and given an Appointment. Oh, and I'd really be happy to know what number my DS is on the waitlist. Think that's too much to ask? (now that's one question I do know the answer to, lol.)
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Back on topic... The wait list letter in the past listed the number on it. In recent years it was around 75-100 (I think the highest I have seen is ~120). I am not sure they ever tell a candidate what number they are (or if they even rank them) on the list or if they start at #1 and go down the list. A question for the admissions counselor. The last few years the number has been very low pulled off the wait list, not sure on exact number, but from looking at the forums, its been single digits. USNA's yield has been fairly high and ~2 years ago it was incredibly high. It over shot their target appointment numbers by alot and I am not sure anyone got off the list that year. If the admissions counselor gives us any updated information let us know! Good luck.
 
NavyHoops said:
Back on topic... The wait list letter in the past listed the number on it. In recent years it was around 75-100 (I think the highest I have seen is ~120). I am not sure they ever tell a candidate what number they are (or if they even rank them) on the list or if they start at #1 and go down the list. A question for the admissions counselor. The last few years the number has been very low pulled off the wait list, not sure on exact number, but from looking at the forums, its been single digits. USNA's yield has been fairly high and ~2 years ago it was incredibly high. It over shot their target appointment numbers by alot and I am not sure anyone got off the list that year. If the admissions counselor gives us any updated information let us know! Good luck.
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Thank you very much for some information, as dismal as it may be. My DS has been in touch with his BGO, but I don't believe with the admissions counselor. Should I advise him to contact that person?
 
I am not sure they ever tell a candidate what number they are (or if they even rank them) on the list or if they start at #1 and go down the list.
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The wait list isn't "ranked." As the number of additional vacancies (if, any) become available...they begin looking at all of the wait-listed candidates "whole person" attributes and make decisions that way. Thus, if you do have additional credentials or updated grades...you should send them, as they MIGHT be considered.

I wouldn't contact the Admissions counselor at this point. Nothing is going to happen until at least May. I would wait until the mid-to-end of April if nothing has been received.
 
usnabgo08 said:
The wait list isn't "ranked." As the number of additional vacancies (if, any) become available...they begin looking at all of the wait-listed candidates "whole person" attributes and make decisions that way. Thus, if you do have additional credentials or updated grades...you should send them, as they MIGHT be considered.

I wouldn't contact the Admissions counselor at this point. Nothing is going to happen until at least May. I would wait until the mid-to-end of April if nothing has been received.
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Thank you very much!
 
USANavy said:
Thank you very much for some information, as dismal as it may be. My DS has been in touch with his BGO, but I don't believe with the admissions counselor. Should I advise him to contact that person?
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08 gave great advice and not sure there is much the counselor can say, based upon that info.
 
My understanding is zero have been taken from the wait list over the last 2 years. I also have noted that those still on CPR may have the full range of options yet in front of them - Appointment, NAPS, Foundation and Wait List, whereas the Wait List candidates only have one option and that is others declining appointment. My question is this - with so many still CPR, is the wait list the deepest option for USNA? I.E. if we don't offer you an appointment you will get NAPS or Foundation and if those are full we will put you on the wait list?
 
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Firehawk1 said:
My understanding is zero have been taken from the wait list over the last 2 years. I also have noted that those still on CPR may have the full range of options yet in front of them - Appointment, NAPS, Foundation and Wait List, whereas the Wait List candidates only have one option and that is others declining appointment. My question is this - with so many still CPR, is the wait list the deepest option for USNA? I.E. if we don't offer you an appointment you will get NAPS or Foundation and if those are full we will put you on the wait list?
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Firehawk1, I would love for someone with some insight to answer your question. Unfortunately, I'm not the person to do so. I do wonder why the waitlist came out on April 1 leaving so many still in the CPR stage. All I can add is that I have knowledge of a candidate being pulled from the waitlist close to I-Day but believe that was the class of 2018. Keeping fingers crossed that this is the year some lucky candidates are pulled off the list!
 
NAPS has its own waitlist. I don't believe Foundation has a waitlist, but they could and I just don't know it. USNAbgo08 probably knows for sure. Foundation also usually gives a very small turnaround time to commit to it. So they know fairly quickly if someone declines and if a slot opens up. It is normal for the Waitlist to come out around the beginning of April. It also doesn't mean the entire wait list has been issued. There still could be more that come next week or this week. Remember, this forum is just a small glimpse of the entire pool of candidates.
 
Firehawk1 said:
My understanding is zero have been taken from the wait list over the last 2 years. I also have noted that those still on CPR may have the full range of options yet in front of them - Appointment, NAPS, Foundation and Wait List, whereas the Wait List candidates only have one option and that is others declining appointment. My question is this - with so many still CPR, is the wait list the deepest option for USNA? I.E. if we don't offer you an appointment you will get NAPS or Foundation and if those are full we will put you on the wait list?
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The Class of 2018, due to the combination of it being a Congressional redistricting year, an unusually high acceptance rate from MOC slates, and too many early early appointment offers before many MOC slates were submitted, forming a perfect storm, it resulted in few slots opening after April 15th. Even so, calls were made, including to my now 3C Mid. The good news for the Class of 2020, Admissions learns from experience and sets the wait list size each year by what they believe they will probably need. So, yes, depending on how well they predicted this years acceptance rate, an offer still remains reasonably probable. I am rooting for you all.
 
WithYou2018 said:
The Class of 2018, due to the combination of it being a Congressional redistricting year, an unusually high acceptance rate from MOC slates, and too many early early appointment offers before many MOC slates were submitted, forming a perfect storm, it resulted in few slots opening after April 15th. Even so, calls were made, including to my now 3C Mid. The good news for the Class of 2020, Admissions learns from experience and sets the wait list size each year by what they believe they will probably need. So, yes, depending on how well they predicted this years acceptance rate, an offer still remains reasonably probable. I am rooting for you all.
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Thank you for this insightful and logical response. Makes sense. If USNA didn't think they needed a Wait List, they wouldn't have one.

Just like USAFA does not have one.
 
No idea if there is a Foundation wait list. My speculation would be that the NAPS wait list is a combined effort with Foundation.
 
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