What happens after getting into USMA?

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The OP made a couple of interesting comments and I have a hard time just trying to give helpful answers.

1. OP said he never submitted the questionable SAT scores. Great - but it really brings into question his character - the fact that you EVEN HAD questionable SAT scores to begin with. (By saying that you never submitted them, you could be said to have admitted to possessing fake SAT scores).

2. You have asked questions at various times about being challenged about your application. The most recent one appears to be about your Top Secret Clearance. If you have any issues with such an interview and are concerned with it, I have some real issues with you as a candidate. This is for a Top Secret Security Clearance, in essence you are being vetted for trustworthiness. If you have issues that concern you, chances are they will find out.

To be honest, the more posts I read from this poster, the less supportive I am and the more concerned I become. There have been some "bad boys" who were delinquents as teenagers and became magnificent officers (i.e. David Hackworth), but Hackworth knew there were lines that were not to be crossed. I'm not too sure if the OP does. As I piece together comments and questions made by this poster it appears that he/she is not so much looking for advice about entering the academy as it now appears that he/she is looking for advice on avoiding detection by the vetting process of the admissions staff. Please convince me otherwise, I do not like being so cynical, but I will not participate in this thread any further.
 
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I have come in contact with hundreds of young men and women as a coach. I can tell you that i have been asked thousands of questions that have raised red flags. I have never labeled these young people subversives or sneaks or delinquents without behavior associated with the question. I listened and counselled or referred them to more qualified resource. I have read the op's post and they definitely have some inconsistencies. Some of the questions even raise the question why was the question asked. I don't know the OP but like the op I would urge the rest of you not to label him/her. As the op responded if you choose not to answer don't. They are just questions
 
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I have come in contact with hundreds of young men and women as a coach. I can tell you that i have been asked thousands of questions that have raised red flags. I have never labeled these young people subversives or sneaks or delinquents without behavior associated with the question. I listened and counselled or referred them to more qualified resource. I have read the op's post and they definitely have some inconsistencies. Some of the questions even raise the question why was the question asked. I don't know the OP but like the op I would urge the rest of you not to label him/her. As the op responded if you choose not to answer don't. They are just questions
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Unfortunately, as an Army officer who could have this candidate in my Battalion in four years, it is not that easy for me. In an era of reduced admissions numbers, we do not have to give candidates the benefit of the doubt when they ask questions that possibly reflect poorly on their character.
 
I don't want to hijack this post but are you telling me that it is not easy for you to ignore the post or not label the poster on a site viewed by hundreds. I think its very simple not to label someone I don't know. There have been many outrageous posts on this site. I read and bypass. Do you really believe you labeling the OP on this site will have some impact on his/her chances for admission into any one of the Academies. I don't know?
 
esu8 said:
I don't want to hijack this post but are you telling me that it is not easy for you to ignore the post or not label the poster on a site viewed by hundreds. I think its very simple not to label someone I don't know. There have been many outrageous posts on this site. I read and bypass. Do you really believe you labeling the OP on this site will have some impact on his/her chances for admission into any one of the Academies. I don't know?
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do you not think the admissions offices read this forum?
 
I'm concerned

I agree with GoArmyBeatNavy. I went back and read the OP's other posts, and the posts concern me. I'm a current West Point candidate. I cannot say that, if I become a cadet, I would be able to fully trust someone who has thrown so many red flags in my mind. I have never been quick to judge; I am just concerned. One thing that makes the Corps of Cadets so great is the fact that each cadet can depend on the cadet next to him to do what is right. Like I said: I am not one who is quick to judge; I just think that when I am an Army officer, it will be in the utmost importance that the officers with whom I serve will have the highest integrity.
 
falconfamily said:
The OP made a couple of interesting comments and I have a hard time just trying to give helpful answers.

1. OP said he never submitted the questionable SAT scores. Great - but it really brings into question his character - the fact that you EVEN HAD questionable SAT scores to begin with. (By saying that you never submitted them, you could be said to have admitted to possessing fake SAT scores).

2. You have asked questions at various times about being challenged about your application. The most recent one appears to be about your Top Secret Clearance. If you have any issues with such an interview and are concerned with it, I have some real issues with you as a candidate. This is for a Top Secret Security Clearance, in essence you are being vetted for trustworthiness. If you have issues that concern you, chances are they will find out.

To be honest, the more posts I read from this poster, the less supportive I am and the more concerned I become. There have been some "bad boys" who were delinquents as teenagers and became magnificent officers (i.e. David Hackworth), but Hackworth knew there were lines that were not to be crossed. I'm not too sure if the OP does. As I piece together comments and questions made by this poster it appears that he/she is not so much looking for advice about entering the academy as it now appears that he/she is looking for advice on avoiding detection by the vetting process of the admissions staff. Please convince me otherwise, I do not like being so cynical, but I will not participate in this thread any further.
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You shouldn't be worried about anything (for I am not as well). And my point proven, you sit behind a computer and try to define a curious candidate; you think you can determine who I am because I asked a question that any other candidate wouldn't ask? Need I say again that you have never met me in real life? and therefore you cannot judge me. Assuming you have had prior service, you should already know that you shouldn't make false assumptions of something you don't know for SURE!
 
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You shouldn't be worried about anything (for I am not as well). And my point proven, you sit behind a computer and try to define a curious candidate; you think you can determine who I am because I asked a question that any other candidate wouldn't ask? Need I say again that you have never met me in real life? and therefore you cannot judge me. Assuming you have had prior service, you should already know that you shouldn't make false assumptions of something you don't know for SURE!
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See, that's the problem I was talking about. In my 3 years on this board, no one has ever asked this question. Not one. And that, in part, is why people become suspicious of your motives in asking. I don't think the previous few posts said anything more than that they had reason to be suspicious due to the posts. And frankly, your defensiveness and attacks don't help your cause.

BTW, no one needs to meet you in "real" life in order to judge you. And no one needs to meet you in real life in order for those judgements to be correct regarding your virtual persona here. Your posts represent you as surely as meeting you in real life would.

I expect you'll fade away from this thread as you also have from other threads in the past. I haven't met you in real life but I'm confident that's an accurate assessment of you. You already have the answer to your question, so why do you keep being both defensive and offensive here?
 
I haven't posted on here in ages.. I mostly just lurk on occasion. Since this thread has veered into a general discussion about how information gets disclosed to USMA, I felt the need to post on this. And although I suspect it has been said before, I also know that SA Forums thrives on repetition and restating the obvious, so I will do both :biggrin:: To all candidates: Reveal everything that needs to be revealed during your application process, because even if you don't they will likely find it eventually.

Here's a story: DS is a plebe in Class of 2016. Without revealing any details that may compromise someone's privacy, I will simply state that one of DS's roommates was suddenly separated from USMA in the Fall because he had failed to mention on his application a stupid, simple, "boys will be boys" property damage incident that happened one summer when he was vacationing in another state (not even his own state!). It was one of those idiotic teenage "just pay restitution for the damage and we'll call it even" situations and he did not disclose it on his application (DS never got the reason why, whether the kid purposely tried to hide it, or didn't think it was significant enough to mention, or just plain forgot about it). In the end it didn't matter. Apparently there was a record of it in the police records in that sleepy vacation town... and eventually, USMA/The Army/DoD/Someone found it. He was told outright during the separation proceedings that had he revealed it on his application paperwork he would have been ok (small consolation), but failure to disclose it left them no choice. DS and other roomie said their goodbyes, and left their buddy in the room to pack up and leave alone in silence. DS said the kid was one of the most squared away guys he knew and likely would have made a great officer, but as DS said, they all know that rules are rules.

Moral of the story for all applicants: Reveal everything. Be fully truthful and don't make any assumptions about what may be 'important' enough to mention. Most of the time revealing something from your past won't affect your chances for admission to USMA. But if you withhold info, two or three years of hard work getting to USMA can be dashed by one simple Google search of public records. And it being the government, it may take some time... but it will come out. DS's unfortunate bunk mate is living proof of that. Stay clean and good luck all.
 
Yea I even put down that I got a minor traffic ticket and USMA had me scan and send the traffic ticket and the driving school certificate.
 
Excellent example. Now if we could only get President Obama to release his birth certificate and transcripts from Harvard Law School!!!:smile:
 
WIT84 said:
Excellent example. Now if we could only get President Obama to release his birth certificate and transcripts from Harvard Law School!!!:smile:
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This is a forum for assisting candidates with admission to a service academy and for passing information related to service academies to interested persons.

It is not for discussing the post secondary education of our commander-in-chief or his birth place. While I will fight and die for your right to say it, i would prefer if you moved it to the off topic portion of this website. Thank You.
 
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