Whole Candidate Score

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  1. otterpop

    otterpop Member

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    Hello, I've looked on my application, and I can't seem to find any such score. Is there a part that I'm overlooking, or are we not allowed to know?...
     
  2. CandidateInSD

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    It's is a closely guarded, not quite, State secret. As far as I'm aware, a candidate will never learn their WCS. Good luck and fingers crossed that you receive an appointment.
     
  3. otterpop

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    Are you 100% positive? Because people have been tossing the term around like you can find out. If you can never know, than why do people get anxiety attacks over it? I just wish the Air Force will allocate more resources to the admissions office, so that everyone would know this week! lol. Priorities...:rolleyes:
     
  4. CandidateInSD

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    I can't say I'm 100 percent positive, so I'll say I'm 99.9999 percent positive instead.
     
  5. otterpop

    otterpop Member

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    Haha fair enough! lol. Thanks for your help, I really do appreciate it!
     
  6. CandidateInSD

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    You're welcome, just keep up the hard work, one way or the other, it will pay off!
     
  7. Christcorp

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    I can tell you that I am 100% positive that there IS a WCS and that you WON'T see the score. Sorry, but an applicant is not going to see their WCS.
     
  8. CandidateInSD

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    LOL, show off!! :wink: :shake:
     
  9. flieger83

    flieger83 Super Moderator Moderator

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    ALO's can see the WCS...

    And just for clarity/accuracy, the abbreviation "WCS" stands for:

    Weighted Composite Score

    I can also tell you (confirm what CC said) the candidate has NO (zero, zilch, nada) way to see that score except to bribe an ALO to show it to them on a website called "ALOWEB."

    And it may just be my humble opinion, but I don't think you'll be successful. We keep things we're told to hold "confidential" as just that.

    This is one area to not focus on...it is what it is.

    Steve
    USAFA ALO
    USAFA '83
     
  10. USAFA_Falcon_15

    USAFA_Falcon_15 USAFA '15 Appointee

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    Flieger, not that It matters, but just to know. Is there any way you can find out what it was after you've been appointed?
     
  11. flieger83

    flieger83 Super Moderator Moderator

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    You could ask your ALO but they probably won't tell you but here's the real question:

    Why do you care?

    You won't know what the "line" was that gave you the appointment...you'd just know "a number" but it'd be meaningless.

    Steve
    USAFA ALO
    USAFA '83
     
  12. USAFA_Falcon_15

    USAFA_Falcon_15 USAFA '15 Appointee

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    Well I guess if I don't know the mean, it really wouldn't matter. And it was just one of those things I was wondering about!
     
  13. raimius

    raimius USAFA Alumnus

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    WCS? Not gonna see it. It doesn't matter much either. You get in or you don't.

    One odd number you might see in the future is your academic composite (not sure if that's the exact name anymore). It is what the academy thinks you might get GPA wise. Apparently, they are decently accurate, but not totally.
     
  14. Christcorp

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    That would be interesting. Mainly to see how accurate the academy really are with their forecast. The average high school GPA for most classes have been around the 3.86 gpa. YET, a large percentage of the class will have a 2.XX at the academy. I personally know some individuals who had 4.0gpa in HS and 2100sat/30+ACT and they had difficulties at the academies. But I also know some who had their 4.0 in HS and have continued on at the academy with 3.93+gpa's and high class rankings. So I'm curious how the academy would forecast an academic composite.
     
  15. Pima

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    Also to add onto raimius's post.

    Let's say you score the highest WCS for the entire 15 pool. Once there nobody give's a rats arse if you scored the highest WCS (number 1) or the lowest (number 1200) out of the apptmts.

    Come BCT, the slate is wiped clean and those points no longer matter AT ALL.

    You are starting the process again, this time as an AFA cadet. What you did before BCT doesn't matter. What you do at the AFA does.
     
  16. USAFA_Falcon_15

    USAFA_Falcon_15 USAFA '15 Appointee

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    It was just plain curiosity folks! Im perfectly aware of my standings come June, and I know I'm no less or more special then the individuals to my left or right. I was just wondering, it was not o boost my ego, nor decide my standings come this summer.

    BELIEVE ME, there is not a single ounce of arrogance in my head. I'm just trying to be the best me.
     
  17. Christcorp

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    Let me explain the main reason why you'll NEVER get to see your scores. Too many people don't understand how appointments are made. Many don't understand that ALL AMERICAN TAX PAYERS pay for the academies. As Such; many don't understand that each state should be equally represented. Granted, a very small population like the coast guard academy really couldn't do this. There's more rep/senators in congress than there are cadets in each class. (there's only about 250-300 cadets per class). Some, like the Merchant marines, still use nominations, but also can't get one from EVERY district/state.

    (This point on is a make believe scenario. Numbers are fictitious)

    Using the 3 big academies; Air force, Army, and Navy:

    Billy Bob from North Dakota has a WCS of 1500. His MOC has a "Competitive Slate". Billy Bob has the HIGHEST WCS in his District in North Dakota. Billy Bob gets the guaranteed slot for that MOC. Mary Jane in South Dakota has a 1600 WCS, and just like Billy Bob, she is the highest in her district, and she too gets the guaranteed slot for her MOC. But the #2 person in South Dakota behind Mary Jane is Tommy Lee. Tommy Lee has a WCS score of 1550. But there's only the one slot for that district, so Tommy lee doesn't get it. Mary Jane got. So Tommy Lee now goes into the National Pool. He didn't get his senator's slot either, because there were 2 others in South Dakota that had higher scores than his 1550.

    Now; because of higher scores NATIONALLY, Tommy lee doesn't receive an appointment at all. Yet; because everyone knows their WCS, Tommy Lee just can't comprehend the whole "Tax payer representation" concept. He his simply pissed because Billy Bob in North Dakota had a LOWER WCS score than he did; yet Billy Bob received an Appointment, and he (Tommy Lee) did not receive on.

    Now; believe it or not, Tax Payer Representation is also a form or needed diversity. The academies want individuals from all over the country. So MOC slates accomplish this dual role purpose. Representation and diversity. Now; throw in ALL the other forms of diversity available; (No, it's not just race and gender); and you can imagine the complications created across district/state lines. "This is why I am 100% in favor of all MOCs having to use a ranked slate". A ranked slate would mean that each MOC gets to determine who THEY believe to be the most qualified applicant to REPRESENT their district and/or state. But that's a different subject.

    Now I know that many here don't want to here this kind of stuff. But I don't believe in the Father/Son attitude of "Why daddy is the WCS the way it is?..... BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!". I believe in knowing answers.

    As much as people don't want to hear it, there WILL be principal and highest ranked individuals on a slate who WILL RECEIVE an appointment, who's WCS is lower than someone in another state/district who didn't receive an appointment. That's the way it is. Mike......
     
  18. Pima

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    I don't think anyone of us was saying or trying to imply arrogance.

    Sometimes people post to enlighten a poster and the lurkers who have no bone in the fight, but just think that there is some type of merit to that thought process; in this case ---WCS.

    You have your appointment, and now it is just curiosity. That is natural.

    Others, at least me, were trying to say, what does it matter? Highest, lowest, median, you start from scratch, and nobody at the AFA will give you an edge for being the highest or leg to boost you for being the lowest.

    I get the curiosity.

    OBTW I have no bone in this...DS is not in the mix.
     
  19. USAFA_Falcon_15

    USAFA_Falcon_15 USAFA '15 Appointee

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    Thanks for clarifying your point Pima!
     
  20. vamom

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    Christcorp, your explanations are always outstanding. I do have a question: DS's MOC used the primary nominee method. Therefore, there was a primary nom (not DS) and then 9 others. Does the AFA have to take the responsibility to rank those or does the WCS create that ranking for the remaining 9? Just curious as to the process if it is known!

    Thank you!
     

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