wyo uniforms classless?

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  1. Texasrocks

    Texasrocks Member

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    Was it just me or did the Wyoming uniforms mock USAFA with the honor loyalty integrity service names on the back. I thought it was a classless punk act by the commie Christiansen. There is nothing about service or loyalty with Wyoming. I will not go into the academics or partying there. Anyone else offended by the names on the backs?
     
  2. toms663

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    I guess I took it a different way. When I played years ago we would wear the name of a player we respected on special occasions. I thought they were showing respect for the values of the AFA. I know thats how my daughter, who plays football on varsity took it also. But, were just country hicks and think all things are good in the world.
     
  3. Texasrocks

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    It is one thing to wear a military appreciation uniform but putting the names on the back is a step to far. I missed the beginning of the game so I am not sure if there is an explanation around the names/uniforms. IMHOP those names are earned.
     
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    Not only that, but they decked our players after the whistle on the kick return, practically punched our quarterback in the face and their band began playing during the 3rd verse.

    They seemed completely classless.
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    No worse than "ref hates America" chants for calls against academies...
     
  6. JMS

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    Wow.
    I did not see the game, but this post strikes me as looking for an insult where none was intended. Doubtful Wyoming officials thought 'yeah, lets take an opportunity to insult the AFA... that should be fun."
    And name calling, too! ('commie Christiansen'; 'nothing about service or loyalty...')
    I'm impressed ... just not favorably. Perhaps the lable 'classless' is misplaced.
     
  7. wulaw

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    Wyoming vs. Air Force

    Wyoming wears the honor, integrity and respect on its uniforms to show its support for all of our nation's military forces. This is not the first time Wyoming has done that - it also wore those last year at its homecoming game. Wyoming and Air Force have a long and distinguished rivalry. When it looked like the Mountain West conference would fall apart, it was Wyoming and Air Force (along with Colorado State and New Mexico) who stuck together to preserve the conference and their historic rivalries.

    It sounds like your comments stem from sour grapes given where Air Force ended up this year. As a long-time Mountain West (and WAC) fan, I can tell you Wyoming has ended up on the losing end more often than not in recent years. As for the comment about the coach being a "commie," I find that laughable given that he's coaching for the ONLY university in the ONLY state more conservative than Texas!!!
     
  8. Texasrocks

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    Christensen earned a bachelor of arts degree in sociology from Western Washington in 1985 - not a conservative place. And if you check the history after last seasons game there were some nasty words with Calhoun. So don't put it past them.
     
  9. haleym

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    There are no sour grapes from my end- the score was what it was. The uniforms don't bug me.
    Even their excessive celebration when they knocked out one of our players didn't bother too much.
    What did bother me was when they began singing their fight song while we were singing the third verse of the Air Force song (tradition during games). It was incredibly distasteful and offensive. I don't know if you have ever heard it before, but it is sung in remembrance of those who have come before us and given their all. I'm fairly certain Wyo's fight song doesn't have quite have the same meaning.
     
  10. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    What you (we) tend to forget is, not everyone is interested in your tradition (or knows it). I have no idea if there are two verses before the third, but I'm guessing over schools like to sing to.

    I'm amazed (and don't worry, I think it was our mindset as cadets too) that somehow the rest of the would should not treat us like rivals on the football field and in the stands. West Point cadets rip the head off of the URI mascot... and it's just good ole playing around. Someone sings during the Air Force's third verse... and they're basically burning the American flag.

    What you eventually figure out, after being shielded from it for four years, is the rest of the country isn't ALWAYS impressed by your school or your service. You aren't going to get a "oh wow" or "thank you for your service" every time you say where you went to school or where you worked.
     
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    IMO, even if the meaning was void, it was still inarguably classless. Who does that at the opposing team's stadium? Wyoming can't wait two seconds until we're done to play their fight song? Plus, ignorance is exactly the problem- I'm not going to say USAFA is all that or that anyone should be "impressed" by some goofy cadets, but you should probably step back and think for a moment before you do something disrespectful like that- ESPECIALLY when you are not quite aware of all that it signifies. That goes for anyone- cadets included.
     
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    Back in my day (different school, different conference but with the experience of playing schools from multiple conferences), the tradition was that marching bands didn't play over each other. They took turns, alternating the timeouts. During the pre-game show, both bands saluted ALL fans by each playing the other's fight song in addition to its own. The bands did the same with a post game performance.

    I kind of miss the respect and dignity of those actions.
     
  13. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    I don't disagree that playing over another band is in poor taste.

    I've never been to an Air Force Academy game. Is the band playing a number of verses or do they play one at a time throughout the game?
     
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    First verse is played at the end of quarters and whenever AF scores. The third verse is after the final whistle. All the players, cheerleaders, falconry, etc etc all walk to the front of the cadet section and the band plays just the third verse.

    It's super hard to miss.
     
  15. Pima

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    I am with wulaw


    Seriously, it is a rivalry. They do this crap in every conference. It is FB. Nothing more, and nothing less.

    As far as interrupting or playing over the AFA. Again, that happens all the time among rivalries.

    JMPO, and 0.019845 cents, they always do post game interviews. Did this become an outcry? Was it seen via the media covering the game as a blatant insult?

    If not, I would assume the sports coverage understood these teams are rivals and this is expected yr after yr.
     
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    The problem I had with the Jersey's was the conduct on the field didn't come close to matching the words on the back-I played ball and there were many instances of just plain punk behavior during that game. How that player wasn't ejected is beyond me-if you watched the game the commentators went nuts-national broadcast-not homer's. Their bench and player's on the field loved it.Of course playing over the 3rd verse was classless. It's impossible to miss what's going on during the singing of the 3rd verse, if you're at an USAFA game. Just another indication what is deemed acceptable these day's. Hard to find manners or humility anywhere.
     
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    Can anyone speak to how Wyoming has handle the singing of the 3rd verse during prior seasons? Never heard any complaints about playing over the 3rd verse before. I believe there were harsh word exchange by the coaches during the game last season. Wyoming's coach was quite upset about a call made during the game. Maybe ignoring the 3rd verse was some kind of payback encourage by the coaching staff, just saying.
     
  18. falconfamily

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    No sense grousing about it. Intended or not, what happened, happened. UW won the game and did so convincingly, they enjoyed putting licks on people, they enjoyed playing physical, they enjoyed their celebration after the game. Keep your composure, don't lose your bearing, and pay them back on the field next year. Simple as that.
     
  19. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Come to think of it, I MAY have gone to a USNA v. USAFA game a year or two ago (when it was in Annapolis). I don't remember which team it was, but the QB had a tantrum that, basically lost the game for the team (I THINK it was the USNA QB).

    I can also tell you, it isn't entirely obvious what the 3rd verse is... just looks like a bunch of people in the corner of a field celebrating (USAFA won the game I was at). It certainly isn't regarded the the NCAA watching public as the two-century old AF tradition that must be honored by those commies at civilian schools (oh, also, academies are less conservative, and civilian schools are less liberal than we all want to admit). They see it as a song... at an interesting time of the game. And frankly, when i was there, I didn't really see it as anything else either, although people did slow down to notice something was happening.

    If you think academies engage in "clean play" on the "field of battle" just before their schools have core values they memorize, you are SORELY mistaken. I don't think there is a single football player out there that doesn't want a tough game, that pushes the boundaries and acceptable play.

    The "Coast Guard Commandant Cup" hockey tournaments I've played in take teams from across the Coast Guard, and pit them against each other for two days on the Cape in Mass. Seamen all the way up to a rear admiral duke it out. These games are rough, played by men (and some women) who don't like to lose.

    Heck, police teams are some of the dirties teams you'll see play.

    But here you think the poor Air Force Academy cadets were cheated and abused by a bunch of mean commie hippies (from a state hasn't legalized MJ... mind you).

    I understand feeling defensive about the teams you watch. I also know that you feel less defensive if you're the one playing. I don't think coaches really care about the bands or cheerleaders.

    It's a game. One team won, one team loss. Maybe it was a dirty game, but having played in a number of dirty games... they can be fun too.

    Me recommendation? Get off the high patriotic horse and realize this is a game and not everyone understands the traditions of service academies....
     
  20. MB 13

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    One last post-Both Boise and Utah State certainly kicked our boy's butts up and down the field. I for one had no problem with those games from any perspective. IMHO- playing in patriotic themed jersey's and then playing like a punk didn't set well with me. There's a way to win with class and sportsmanship, and yes It's really, really hard to find. A great man once said "act like you've been there before"-I know, it's a totally foreign concept these day's.
     

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