USMCGrunt
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It will be interesting to see the motive...workplace or terrorism.
They are now confirming via the police 8 are now dead. 12 victims total.
The FBI and DC police that are headed to Bolling AFB for reported possible shots fired there too. Meyers, Walter Reed, and other DC area bases are in 100% i.d. now.
Aurora was coordinated? Are you counting the lone shooter's multiple personalities?Aside from Aurora CO, I can't recall a "disgruntled employee/student" coordinated shooting like this. Nevertheless, my money is on terror, but I expect in any case it will be called 'workplace violence'.
We should not be discussing in an open forum the specifics of access to any specific building or base nor should we be discussing the "how"s.The DC Chief is now saying that there are potentially now 2 more shooters for a total of 3. One is deceased. They are saying the other 2 were dressed in military garb and are potentially on the loose. I assume potentially because the building is so large it could take a long time to sweep.
The scary part is how on earth did they get in the building because at least what people interviewed are saying it is like the Pentagon. You have to have an i.d. that scans to get through the entrance turnstile. Thus, how did they get in if they didn't have an ID? Plus, how do you hide a rifle upon entering a building, especially if it is like the Pentagon where you go through metal detectors if you don't have an ID?
That also doesn't address how they actually got on the base itself because it is a secure base. They had to go through the gates too.
We should not be discussing in an open forum the specifics of access to any specific building or base nor should we be discussing the "how"s.
That being said, it is possible that some of those shot were the security at the entrance point.
OPSEC gets loose on many subjects throughout these forums at times. General comments about checking IDs is one thing, talking about the specifics of building access for a building which not everyone with base access can get into, nor even every NAVSEA subordinate command employee can get into is quite another.Many members of the public can see the gates you enter at the Pentagon (and CGHQ, and just about any other federal institution in D.C.). It's aint classified, and it certainly aint unknown (I'm using "aint" for effect)! However the ins and outs of random searches, random screenings and responses are likely LE confidential (at the very least).
How do you get in? Well, you have access, of course. Fort Hood was a soldier. Why couldn't these be sailors? I'm guessing we're all holding our breaths to hear the M word used.....
"So and So" is doing it does not make it right. Again ... general base access is one thing, the specifics of a building that is not general access to anyone with base access is something entirely different.I.E. These ret. military officers are saying the exact same thing I just stated. Plus, everyday the Pentagon gives tours to visitors. It is common knowledge of how the screening/entering process works to get into the Pentagon. It def. is not classified.
It's not classified nor did I ever say it was. Operational Security (OPSEC) is the process of protecting little pieces of data that could be grouped together to give the bigger picture and is practiced specifically with respect to UNCLASS information. I never said "cannot", only "should not"Not to divert or argue, but I am not understanding why you think the procedure to get on a military installation is classified and cannot be discussed on an open forum.
Stick around this town long enough and you will see that the divulging of classified information by retired military analysts in the interests of that retired person's being a TV/Radio "expert" is the rule and not the exception.If it was classified, surely retired military analysts would state it is a classified situation and cannot discuss it.
OPSEC gets loose on many subjects throughout these forums at times. General comments about checking IDs is one thing, talking about the specifics of building access for a building which not everyone with base access can get into, nor even every NAVSEA subordinate command employee can get into is quite another.
Stick around this town long enough and you will see that the divulging of classified information by retired military analysts in the interests of that retired person's being a TV/Radio "expert" is the rule and not the exception.