AFA vs. ROTC

jigmin

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hello fellow forum members. i am a high school senior in the process of deciding colleges and i want to share my complicated thoughts and perhaps get some insight from you guys.

i am conflicted between going to the air force academy or doing afrotc at UCLA or Berkeley. i know that all of these are good options, and that there are hundreds of kids whose dream is to attend the academy, so im truly thankful to have these choices; at the same time, it has given me truly a lot to think about when considering my fit and opportunities at both routes. i plan to study psychology, economics, or political science at any institution.

i learned about the academy with the help of my parents. they introduced me to the prestige as well as the valuable paths and options that the academy opens up after service, especially in my interested field in law. another major benefit i think the academy provides is the tight bonds that cadets develop with each other. as for these, i definitely agree and understand the value of these aspects. i fully agree that there is nothing more valuable or honorable as military service and that experiences in information operations or military intelligence would be invaluable when im considering law school and such.

however for me, i am not sure if i am ready to make that commitment right now. i think a major part of this is because the idea of going to a military school and service after was pretty new for me, something that ive only seriously considered since a couple of months ago. i think that the traditional college experience and the freedoms that comes with it was something that i was really looking forward to throughout my childhood and high school experience. in that regard, i learned about the rotc option. for me, this seemed like a compromise between the college experience i wanted and the opportunity to pursue service in the air force. even though it might be a different route than academy cadets, i think that the afrotc program would still give me the opportunity to pursue a career in military intelligence or information operations additionally, because afrotc cadets have until junior year to contract, i believed it would give me a little more exposure and time before i know this is for me.

in my parents' perspective however, going the rotc route would lose a lot of the prestige and societal honor that comes with the academy. because its commonly known that air force academy cadet usually have first choice before afrotc cadets in their career choice, they are also worried about the possibility that i may not be able to go into the career field i want. lastly, they are worried that the academic rigor would be a lot harder to manage at a regular public college and that rotc would provide even further burdens with pt and labs and such.

i think the most difficult part of this decision-making process is that there is no real "right" or "wrong", and why ive decided to reach out to fellow forum members here for their insight. i have a path that i have in mind right now, but i want to make sure that my naivety or my desires don't diminish my future as well. i know this was a tremendously long post to read, so thank you for reading through all this and i would love to hear your insight.
 
Why do you want to go through ROTC or the Academy?
 
Are your inquiring about applying for the class of ‘24 as far as USAFA? BC it’s too late as a senior to apply for admission THIS fall. So that makes that part of the decision easy.

You could attend AFROTC, this next academic year, and make the decision about USAFA later, should you receive an appointment. Additionally, you would be eligible for an additional nominating source through ROTC.

REGARDLESS...as Falcon A stated, why do YOU want to do either. Not why do your parents want you to. Or what your parents want you to. It’s not them that will be going through school and then serving. It’s you. This needs to be 100 % YOUR decision. YOUR choice.
 
I would simply say your college years are yours and you should decide based on what YOU want, not what your parents might want or think.
 
As long as you want to become an AF officer — that should be at the very top of your considerations — then you won’t go wrong with either. But know this: Of the various routes to a commission, USAFA is typically considered the hardest way. It’s the most rigorous, strict, demanding, regimented and unforgiving. So you really have to want to be there. If you don’t have a burning desire to live that lifestyle, then rest assured that ROTC at UCLA or Berkeley will still leave you in a very good place.

By the way, the #1 reason plebes and doolies leave an SA during that first miserable summer is because someone else — usually their parents — wanted them to be there more than they themselves did.
 
I would still like to hear the “why” from the OP.

Earning a 4 yr ROTC scholarship typically takes an “SA” quality record ...

The SMC route can be just as, if not more, rigorous than the SA route today ...

So again I ask the OP why does he desire to go through ROTC or attend an SA?
 
Hello Falcon A! Thank you taking the time to respond!

Even though I'm not 100% sure, I am still very interested in becoming an officer for the Air Force. That being said, I want to learn more about the pros/cons of both of these two routes
 
Are your inquiring about applying for the class of ‘24 as far as USAFA? BC it’s too late as a senior to apply for admission THIS fall. So that makes that part of the decision easy.

You could attend AFROTC, this next academic year, and make the decision about USAFA later, should you receive an appointment. Additionally, you would be eligible for an additional nominating source through ROTC.

REGARDLESS...as Falcon A stated, why do YOU want to do either. Not why do your parents want you to. Or what your parents want you to. It’s not them that will be going through school and then serving. It’s you. This needs to be 100 % YOUR decision. YOUR choice.

hello justdoit19! thanks for responding!

i forgot to make this clear in the original post but I do have an appointment to the USAFA for the class of 2023. My parents and I are trying to decide where I should commit for next fall.
 
I would simply say your college years are yours and you should decide based on what YOU want, not what your parents might want or think.

thanks for your response kinnem! yes definitely, i think ill still have the final say but i want to reconcile my parents' concerns as much as possible as well.
 
As long as you want to become an AF officer — that should be at the very top of your considerations — then you won’t go wrong with either. But know this: Of the various routes to a commission, USAFA is typically considered the hardest way. It’s the most rigorous, strict, demanding, regimented and unforgiving. So you really have to want to be there. If you don’t have a burning desire to live that lifestyle, then rest assured that ROTC at UCLA or Berkeley will still leave you in a very good place.

By the way, the #1 reason plebes and doolies leave an SA during that first miserable summer is because someone else — usually their parents — wanted them to be there more than they themselves did.

thank you for the response! yeah i think the scenario of me joining and deciding to quit at the Academy is what I fear most. If there are any differences between commissioning through ROTC and the Academy, what are they?
 
IMHO ... to become an AF Officer...is the only reason to go to USAFA or through AFROTC

IMHO the Academy will provide you military and Air Force preparation opportunities a civilian university ROTC cannot.

That being said, great officers have come from ROTC at civilian universities ...

You need to go where you think you can be most successful ... and where you can best prepare to serve ...

Notice I did NOT say go to where you will be “happy”. Worthwhile Preparation is not always pleasant...it is not always “happy” ...

In the end it is NOT about prestige ... it is about competence ... and integrity...and character... will people follow you?... do they value you?
 
This is true for all SAs: After the first year as an officer, it’s near impossible to know who came from what source. Whether one comes from SA or SMC or ROTC or OCS, it’s performance on the job that matters. And it’s been documented that SAs confer no special or significant advantage by the time someone hits O-2.
 
Hopefully another Air Force knowledgeable person can chime in here... but a few items... OP states he has until his junior year to contract and be selected for SFT. Correct me if I am wrong here... for AFROTC someone is committed ones they start their sophomore year if they are on scholarship? Yes, they still could not be selected for SFT a year later, but they can’t voluntarily leave without a payback???? Now if you go to USAFA, you have until the start of your junior year to commit. After that you leave with a financial or enlistment payback. Also, I know most scholarships for AFROTC go to STEM, OP, you didn’t mention what type of scholarship you have. You got into some impressive schools and have some great options. Does it cover the majors you are interested in?
 
Is your decision required by May 1st? Getting down to those last moments. I would ask if you have visited both places. But time could be running out.

Lots of threads about the “differences”. Reading through them could help you. They are very different avenues to the same goal.

My DS was faced with the same choice, although with Navy. The exposure to the leaders at USNA sold him. The whole place is a leadership bubble. His AFROTC (retired) Colonel was instrumental in pointing out the caliber of people and opportunities he would be exposed to at a SA (VS regular college). He learned on his visits that he was amongst similar minded students. He felt ‘with his people’. So he chose the SA route and has been incredibly happy. And done incredibly amazing things that wouldn’t happen at regular college (participated in senator McCains funeral was a highlight).

Good luck to you!! Both routes will have the same ultimate goal! Vastly different experience arriving there.
 
Hopefully another Air Force knowledgeable person can chime in here... but a few items... OP states he has until his junior year to contract and be selected for SFT. Correct me if I am wrong here... for AFROTC someone is committed ones they start their sophomore year if they are on scholarship? Yes, they still could not be selected for SFT a year later, but they can’t voluntarily leave without a payback???? Now if you go to USAFA, you have until the start of your junior year to commit. After that you leave with a financial or enlistment payback. Also, I know most scholarships for AFROTC go to STEM, OP, you didn’t mention what type of scholarship you have. You got into some impressive schools and have some great options. Does it cover the majors you are interested in?

hello NavyHoops! Just to clarify, I am not on a 4-year scholarship at the ROTC programs
 
Is your decision required by May 1st? Getting down to those last moments. I would ask if you have visited both places. But time could be running out.

Lots of threads about the “differences”. Reading through them could help you. They are very different avenues to the same goal.

My DS was faced with the same choice, although with Navy. The exposure to the leaders at USNA sold him. The whole place is a leadership bubble. His AFROTC (retired) Colonel was instrumental in pointing out the caliber of people and opportunities he would be exposed to at a SA (VS regular college). He learned on his visits that he was amongst similar minded students. He felt ‘with his people’. So he chose the SA route and has been incredibly happy. And done incredibly amazing things that wouldn’t happen at regular college (participated in senator McCains funeral was a highlight).

Good luck to you!! Both routes will have the same ultimate goal! Vastly different experience arriving there.

thanks for the insight! luckily, i was able to visit in person for all three campuses!
 
hello NavyHoops! Just to clarify, I am not on a 4-year scholarship at the ROTC programs

That clears it up! I think it’s important to look at the last few years of SFT selection rates for rated and non-rated STEM majors to get an idea of what they could look like. 3 years from now, who knows what they will be, but best to at least look at them.
 
hello NavyHoops! Just to clarify, I am not on a 4-year scholarship at the ROTC programs

That clears it up! I think it’s important to look at the last few years of SFT selection rates for rated and non-rated STEM majors to get an idea of what they could look like. 3 years from now, who knows what they will be, but best to at least look at them.

hi NavyHoops!

I am not too familiar with what the terms SFT selection rates and rated/nonrated mean. I've done a quick google search but I'm not sure I've found what your referring to. Is it data on the officer careers cadets go into? Do you mind helping me understand what those terms mean and how I would go about finding them? Thank you so much!
 
@jigmin - taken from wikipedia
Rated positions are flying related -- Pilot, Combat Systems Officer (previously known as Navigator), Remotely-Piloted Aircraft (RPA) Pilot, or Air Battle Manager. Non-rated positions fall into two categories: non-rated operations, such as missiles, intelligence, space, cyber, or weather, and non-rated support, such as aircraft maintenance, missile maintenance, logistics, civil engineer, security forces, or communications.
The summer between sophomore and junior year, cadets must attend Summer Field Training (SFT) and successfully complete it to remain in the program, and contract (if they are not already contracted). SFT is by "invitation" only, ie. not all cadets get to attend. Those who do not attend (are not selected) are generally dropped from the program. Even folks on scholarship may not be selected, and lose their scholarship as a result.

Hope this helps.
 
i am not sure if i am ready to make that commitment right now. i think a major part of this is because the idea of going to a military school and service after was pretty new for me, something that ive only seriously considered since a couple of months ago.

i think that the traditional college experience and the freedoms that comes with it was something that i was really looking forward to throughout my childhood and high school experience.

Before you commit to the USAFA, please make sure your personal goal is to become a commissioned officer in the Air Force and you believe that a 7x24 immersive military environment is the best fit for you and your undergraduate experience.

in my parents' perspective however, going the rotc route would lose a lot of the prestige and societal honor that comes with the academy.

JMPO, success comes from someone thriving in a career that they love. Any prestige and societal honor that comes from accepting an offer of appointment from the USAFA will be short lived and, as others have mentioned, your advancement in the Air Force will be based much more on your performance than your method of commissioning.

I don't know you nearly well enough to recommend which option is best for you but, based on your statements, believe you already know the answer. Good luck.
 
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