NAPS or FOUNDATION SCHOOL?

This is probably a question for my DS to ask his BGO but I’m wondering if he would fit for NAPS or perhaps a Foundation School? I think it depends if he is deemed 3Q, is there anyway to know if he is 3Q? I think it matters for what he may or may not be offered. Could he see it on his portal? His stats are:
GPA 3.86 AP English, AP Economics, AP History
ACT-English 35, Math 26
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Just one man's opinion but I think the ACT scores would NOT be disqualifying. True, the math score is just below the middle 50% of the 2022 class profile, but that says that 25% of the appointees were below that. By definition that 25% were qualified.

I can't say that I know how Foundation scholarships work so perhaps something might happen on that front. I expect folks wiser than me will chime in.

EDIT: inserted the forgotten and now bolded NOT. I can't believe I made that error as it's the key word.

Not exactly sure what your question is. However, USNA determines who they offer an appointment vs. TWE vs. NAPS. (Not familiar with Foundation either). USNA no longer tells applicants if they are 3Q. Those offered NAPS as usually lacking the scholastic Q and it is believed they would benefit from a additional year of academic study.

Unfortunately, there is no magic formula for NAPS/Foundation. Generally (there are exceptions) folks offered one of these programs need additional ac prep for some reason (poor scores, lousy h.s., etc.) but why some are offered it and others are not is a mystery to most of us.

Agree with all the comments above... DS has some good tickets, but ACT in Math is weak. How did he do in HS math ?
The BGO knows if he is 3Q, but you should not ask, and they should not tell...

time2 said:

Not exactly sure what your question is. However, USNA determines who they offer an appointment vs. TWE vs. NAPS. (Not familiar with Foundation either). USNA no longer tells applicants if they are 3Q. Those offered NAPS as usually lacking the scholastic Q and it is believed they would benefit from a additional year of academic study.

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I was trying to figure out if DS is academically qualified because the way I understand it is disqualified applicants can go to prep but qualified and not selected could go to Foundation school.

Old Navy BGO said:

Agree with all the comments above... DS has some good tickets, but ACT in Math is weak. How did he do in HS math ?
The BGO knows if he is 3Q, but you should not ask, and they should not tell...

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All A’s in high school math, not AP though. He can’t seem to answer the questions fast enough on the ACT, most of his wrong answers are guesses at the end.

The Q is for more than just academics, that is why it is the scholastic Q. None of us know the exact formulas used by USNA.

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Roadking-

I hate to add to the confusion, we were in your shoes last year with all the questions going through our heads and the waiting, waiting, waiting... My DD was on the NWL. She had a gymnastics injury for which she needed a waiver to attend USNA. It was taking a long time to get approved because we understand the admissions rep was backed up and not updating the file. The USNA coach told her that she was 2nd on the NWL (which we understand is qualified with a nomination-no place to put them unless offers are declined), but on 5/24 no further offers were to be made for USNA because the slots had been filled. So on 5/24, she and two other candidates from the NWL were offered NAPS. We didn't know what NAPS was at the time, so my DD researched it, spoke with the coach and the coach connected her with the current team captain. They convinced her to give NAPS a try. They have 3 levels of classes (foundation, intermediate and advanced -I believe). So, no matter the GPA/scores, they will test and place you in classes that are a good fit so that the candidates are challenged. I think they offered NAPS to these 3 candidates to secure a spot in USNA class of 2023. She now considers herself fortunate because going to NAPS is preparing her mentally, academically, physically and giving her the military training to excel at USNA. She feels that she may not be as much of a "target" during plebe summer In addition, she is getting paid, getting a year of active duty in, and was able to apply her academic scholarship money toward her battalion activity fee and uniform fee (so her paycheck is higher). The additional scholarship money left over will apply to USNA fees in the fall of 2019.

So, I know that was a lot of info, but bottom line is don't give up especially with good grades/scores, but continue with plan B (DD actually committed to a D1 SEC school prior to the NAPS offer). NAPS will prepare them for the ACT if they need to take it again, but DD is fortunate her scores were high so she does not have to use that extra instruction period to prepare to test again. DD accepted her NAPS offer in the beginning of June 2018. She said she was the last one to accept. It is a great opportunity. She said they bring in amazing speakers, they attended USNA during homecoming week, they also went to the Army/Navy game--which I think was more fun than she ever imagined!

If your DS is lacking in physics and/or calculus, but is a top recruit--that is where we saw early offers to NAPS (in addition to prior enlisted). The latest offers seem to be closer to DD's situation, where there are no slots left at USNA but they are qualified, well-rounded candidates and they still want them to attend USNA.

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I was trying to figure out if DS is academically qualified because the way I understand it is disqualified applicants can go to prep but qualified and not selected could go to Foundation school.

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Roadking-

I hate to add to the confusion, we were in your shoes last year with all the questions going through our heads and the waiting, waiting, waiting... My DD was on the NWL. She had a gymnastics injury for which she needed a waiver to attend USNA. It was taking a long time to get approved because we understand the admissions rep was backed up and not updating the file. The USNA coach told her that she was 2nd on the NWL (which we understand is qualified with a nomination-no place to put them unless offers are declined), but on 5/24 no further offers were to be made for USNA because the slots had been filled. So on 5/24, she and two other candidates from the NWL were offered NAPS. We didn't know what NAPS was at the time, so my DD researched it, spoke with the coach and the coach connected her with the current team captain. They convinced her to give NAPS a try. They have 3 levels of classes (foundation, intermediate and advanced -I believe). So, no matter the GPA/scores, they will test and place you in classes that are a good fit so that the candidates are challenged. I think they offered NAPS to these 3 candidates to secure a spot in USNA class of 2023. She now considers herself fortunate because going to NAPS is preparing her mentally, academically, physically and giving her the military training to excel at USNA. She feels that she may not be as much of a "target" during plebe summer In addition, she is getting paid, getting a year of active duty in, and was able to apply her academic scholarship money toward her battalion activity fee and uniform fee (so her paycheck is higher). The additional scholarship money left over will apply to USNA fees in the fall of 2019.

So, I know that was a lot of info, but bottom line is don't give up especially with good grades/scores, but continue with plan B (DD actually committed to a D1 SEC school prior to the NAPS offer). NAPS will prepare them for the ACT if they need to take it again, but DD is fortunate her scores were high so she does not have to use that extra instruction period to prepare to test again. DD accepted her NAPS offer in the beginning of June 2018. She said she was the last one to accept. It is a great opportunity. She said they bring in amazing speakers, they attended USNA during homecoming week, they also went to the Army/Navy game--which I think was more fun than she ever imagined!

If your DS is lacking in physics and/or calculus, but is a top recruit--that is where we saw early offers to NAPS (in addition to prior enlisted). The latest offers seem to be closer to DD's situation, where there are no slots left at USNA but they are qualified, well-rounded candidates and they still want them to attend USNA.[/QUOTE]

Thank you very much for this info regarding NAPS. It sounds great, I’m happy it worked out for your DD and I wish her the best at USNA. I hope my DS is lucky enough to receive an offer for NAPS

The National Waiting List (also known as "National Pool") is DIFFERENT from being on a "Wait List" for USNA. In some years there is no 'wait list' while there is a NWL each year. Many candidates get their appointment from the NWL. Just to clarify so there is no confusion on these terms, they are NOT the same thing.