2024 Process

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Been lurking on this forum for a while - great info and very helpful to those of us very new to the process. Thanks to everyone that manages and contributes to this forum.

As my DS is now officially pursuing 2024 SA appts, at what point does timeline become clear? Contacting BGO? CFA? Applying to MOCs? Prelim app? Letters of Recoms?

Completed Summer apps for USNA, WP and USAFA. Do we need to relax for now or GO?
 
Assignment 1 is reading every page, dropdown and link on the SA and ROTC scholarship websites. Take notes, develop timelines and task lists. Candidates have been creative over the years, building spreadsheets, binders, color-coded files, whiteboard status displays. Make no mistake, it is a campaign, a job interview, a major project, a marathon not a sprint, and most of all, a roller-coaster, a term often used here.

Research the SA nom process on elected officials’ sites; attend information sessions. Build timelines, task lists, etc.

Here on SAF, head over to Community Information and check out The Acronym List. Go to the Nominations and DODMERB forums and read the Stickies at the top.

Use the Search box to look for topics of interest, or just browse.

There are those who are so organized, they have their applications in by end of summer, having coordinated teacher evaluations early.

Plan a visit if you can, so you and your candidate can get a sense of the place. You can all attend the Admissions briefs led by an Admissions Officer. You can take a guided or self-guided tour of USNA.

https://www.usna.edu/Admissions/Connect/index.php

https://www.usnabsd.com/for-visitors/public-tours/
 
Assignment 1 is reading every page, dropdown and link on the SA and ROTC scholarship websites. Take notes, develop timelines and task lists. Candidates have been creative over the years, building spreadsheets, binders, color-coded files, whiteboard status displays. Make no mistake, it is a campaign, a job interview, a major project, a marathon not a sprint, and most of all, a roller-coaster, a term often used here.

Research the SA nom process on elected officials’ sites; attend information sessions. Build timelines, task lists, etc.

Here on SAF, head over to Community Information and check out The Acronym List. Go to the Nominations and DODMERB forums and read the Stickies at the top.

Use the Search box to look for topics of interest, or just browse.

There are those who are so organized, they have their applications in by end of summer, having coordinated teacher evaluations early.

Plan a visit if you can, so you and your candidate can get a sense of the place. You can all attend the Admissions briefs led by an Admissions Officer. You can take a guided or self-guided tour of USNA.

https://www.usna.edu/Admissions/Connect/index.php

https://www.usnabsd.com/for-visitors/public-tours/

Thanks for this. It looks like we are on the right track, forums scoured, tours taken multiple times, etc. I think DS is on it. We will figure out how to organize. He applied for summer session on day 1 so thus far I think he is on track. But specifically with the portal - if DS is vigilant, are all these things ready for upload on day 1? Could he do CFA, for example, tomorrow and “post” it? Are there spots for uploading all requirements now?
I think I am answering my own question and perhaps I need to poke around the portal too?
 
My advice on timing is to push hard to have all your applications complete by the end of the summer before senior year. The toughest part for my three kids (who all applied successfully to multiple academies) was getting teachers to complete their recommendations. We found that it was a lot easier to complete this process in the spring of their junior year. That way, CFA and DoDMERB could both be completed during the summer. It avoided the risk of injury in fall sports and left time to get waivers for any medical issues. It is great to be able to go for interviews with applications complete, removing any doubt about the applicant being serious. Also nice to be able to relax a bit senior year and get your plan B applications done which is a breeze after completing your service academy application(s). Good luck to you!
 
Thanks for this. It looks like we are on the right track, forums scoured, tours taken multiple times, etc. I think DS is on it. We will figure out how to organize. He applied for summer session on day 1 so thus far I think he is on track. But specifically with the portal - if DS is vigilant, are all these things ready for upload on day 1? Could he do CFA, for example, tomorrow and “post” it? Are there spots for uploading all requirements now?
I think I am answering my own question and perhaps I need to poke around the portal too?

It will take some time to fill out the application on the portal, as a number of things must be submitted by an outside source (recommendations from teachers, CFA from coach or teacher, academic information from counselor). It is also a good idea to be thorough and careful with this information, as it will be what determines if your DS will receive an appointment. While it is certainly nice to have everything done early, I wouldn’t rush anything by any means. If you stay organized and take it one step at a time, it will make everything much easier in the long run. Good luck!
 
My advice on timing is to push hard to have all your applications complete by the end of the summer before senior year. The toughest part for my three kids (who all applied successfully to multiple academies) was getting teachers to complete their recommendations. We found that it was a lot easier to complete this process in the spring of their junior year. That way, CFA and DoDMERB could both be completed during the summer. It avoided the risk of injury in fall sports and left time to get waivers for any medical issues. It is great to be able to go for interviews with applications complete, removing any doubt about the applicant being serious. Also nice to be able to relax a bit senior year and get your plan B applications done which is a breeze after completing your service academy application(s). Good luck to you!

Thank you! I think we need a “starters” thread!
 
Research your local MOC’s application process as well! Something that challenged me at the beginning when my portal opened was organizing what I had to get accomplished and for who. At first it seems like a monumental task, but after I sat down made a list, and got everything situated I started to understand all the applications better. I think once the portal opens for your DS is when you will really start to “go”. Listen to Capt MJ above! It is a marathon not a sprint! It is great to get ahead, but pay attention to every detail and make sure you do everything right! Just my 2-cents from a 2023 applicant who just finished their application.

Oh! And just a heads up - my biggest challenge so far has been the waiting! The wait for your teachers to do your recommendations, the wait for DoDMERB to process everything, the wait to see if you got a nom, and most of all the wait to see if you get that BFE!
 
Research your local MOC’s application process as well! Something that challenged me at the beginning when my portal opened was organizing what I had to get accomplished and for who. At first it seems like a monumental task, but after I sat down made a list, and got everything situated I started to understand all the applications better. I think once the portal opens for your DS is when you will really start to “go”. Listen to Capt MJ above! It is a marathon not a sprint! It is great to get ahead, but pay attention to every detail and make sure you do everything right! Just my 2-cents from a 2023 applicant who just finished their application.

Oh! And just a heads up - my biggest challenge so far has been the waiting! The wait for your teachers to do your recommendations, the wait for DoDMERB to process everything, the wait to see if you got a nom, and most of all the wait to see if you get that BFE!

Certainly know from watching on here Capt MJ needs to be heeded! Thanks for the advice above. Have you heard yet??
 
Research your local MOC’s application process as well! Something that challenged me at the beginning when my portal opened was organizing what I had to get accomplished and for who. At first it seems like a monumental task, but after I sat down made a list, and got everything situated I started to understand all the applications better. I think once the portal opens for your DS is when you will really start to “go”. Listen to Capt MJ above! It is a marathon not a sprint! It is great to get ahead, but pay attention to every detail and make sure you do everything right! Just my 2-cents from a 2023 applicant who just finished their application.

Oh! And just a heads up - my biggest challenge so far has been the waiting! The wait for your teachers to do your recommendations, the wait for DoDMERB to process everything, the wait to see if you got a nom, and most of all the wait to see if you get that BFE!

Certainly know from watching on here Capt MJ needs to be heeded! Thanks for the advice above. Have you heard yet??
I have a nomination to USMMA and USNA but haven’t heard back from the academies! Best of luck to you and your DS!
 
I read "2024" and assumed that it was a government form number, that you were asking for help with. Doh! o_O
Yeah, do what @Capt MJ suggests.
 
One more thing (which encompasses a lot) - it’s been said by many experienced posters here, “Submit your BEST application, and earlier is usually better than later.”

There have been numerous “uh-oh” posts over the years:
- I checked “yes” when it should have been “no.” Or the opposite.
- I left out the fact I got in trouble for ______
- I forgot about the time I tried weed, how do I go back and fix this
- I checked “yes” for Whatsisitis because my grandma said that’s what I probably have, but now I am down the DODMERB remedial rabbit hole, how do I stop it
- uh, I missed X deadline, do you think they will extend it for me, I assumed I could do ______
- I only have 2 weeks left to submit my CFA, anyone have any tips on how I can get my mile run time down from 12 minutes/can’t do pull-ups/fill-in-the-blank procrastination problem


Thoughtful completion of forms.
Read all instructions. Twice.
Follow them and don’t make up your own rules.
Double-checking.
Triple-checking.
If in doubt, seek assistance, don’t guess.
It’s not a diagnosis unless it’s in your medical record.
Be truthful, especially for questions starting with “Have you ever.”
Know the difference between alcohol use and alcohol abuse.
Pay the extra money for tracking and delivery signatures for important and time-sensitive documents.
Keep copies.


The entire process is an entrance exam in itself, testing for perseverance, diligence, comprehension, project management skills, attention to detail, thoroughness, self-sufficiency, time management, and commitment.
 
Thanks for this. It looks like we are on the right track, forums scoured, tours taken multiple times, etc. I think DS is on it. We will figure out how to organize. He applied for summer session on day 1 so thus far I think he is on track. But specifically with the portal - if DS is vigilant, are all these things ready for upload on day 1? Could he do CFA, for example, tomorrow and “post” it? Are there spots for uploading all requirements now?
I think I am answering my own question and perhaps I need to poke around the portal too?

To answer the question about doing stuff now: no. He has to wait for the portal to open. He has to be a candidate before he can post things. It will be very clear on the portal. Basically each required piece has a box where USNA record when it is received. The “nomination received” box stays open for what seem like forever! It was pretty satisfying to have all the boxes full!!

Lurking, reading, exploring online and dreaming is what you do for now. I don’t think DS’s summer seminar was released until May if I remember correctly? So the other thing you do is wait, as mentioned.

This semester is a good time to make sure you talk with your counselor, math and science teachers about what you are doing (if they aren’t familiar with a service academy application process) and that you will be needing them to fill out the required recommendations (sometimes multiple times in our case with NROTC). These are done online, basically an evaluation of your classroom habits and potential. But asking if they are available during the summer to assist with this, or how best to be in touch with them, is a good idea.

Also he can think about who he wants to write his essay type recommendations. The ones from someone who knows him well and can attest to his character, etc. Again, if this is a school person, touching base about how to best be In contact over the summer. Most MOC’s also require this piece as part of their application process.

All the other advice above. Plus opening a dialogue with the people at school you will need to do their part. And making sure they are familiar with the process. They may not understand how it is different from ‘regular college’ apps/deadlines.

And wait. Lots of waiting.
 
I would add to check each nomination source and academy to see what form they need their letter of recommendation before approaching his teachers. Between the 7 different sources my son applied to (3 academies, 3 MOC, NROTC), they all wanted it differently. Some wanted a snail mail letter, some wanted it uploaded to their website directly, some you submitted your teacher’s email for them to receive the link, some you gave the link the teacher should follow directly to them.

Then each source wanted letters from different individuals: one a math and English; one an English, science, and PE; one any teacher and two citizens of our state; etc. We made a huge spreadsheet to keep track of who needed what, in what form, and by what deadline.

It’s like herding cats to get a handle on all of it, but it’s much easier once you know what form the letters need to be in, and which sources need which letters.

DS ran the whole show for his application, my job was just to help with the logistics.
 
Thanks for this. It looks like we are on the right track, forums scoured, tours taken multiple times, etc. I think DS is on it. We will figure out how to organize. He applied for summer session on day 1 so thus far I think he is on track. But specifically with the portal - if DS is vigilant, are all these things ready for upload on day 1? Could he do CFA, for example, tomorrow and “post” it? Are there spots for uploading all requirements now?
I think I am answering my own question and perhaps I need to poke around the portal too?

To answer the question about doing stuff now: no. He has to wait for the portal to open. He has to be a candidate before he can post things. It will be very clear on the portal. Basically each required piece has a box where USNA record when it is received. The “nomination received” box stays open for what seem like forever! It was pretty satisfying to have all the boxes full!!

Lurking, reading, exploring online and dreaming is what you do for now. I don’t think DS’s summer seminar was released until May if I remember correctly? So the other thing you do is wait, as mentioned.

This semester is a good time to make sure you talk with your counselor, math and science teachers about what you are doing (if they aren’t familiar with a service academy application process) and that you will be needing them to fill out the required recommendations (sometimes multiple times in our case with NROTC). These are done online, basically an evaluation of your classroom habits and potential. But asking if they are available during the summer to assist with this, or how best to be in touch with them, is a good idea.

Also he can think about who he wants to write his essay type recommendations. The ones from someone who knows him well and can attest to his character, etc. Again, if this is a school person, touching base about how to best be In contact over the summer. Most MOC’s also require this piece as part of their application process.

All the other advice above. Plus opening a dialogue with the people at school you will need to do their part. And making sure they are familiar with the process. They may not understand how it is different from ‘regular college’ apps/deadlines.

And wait. Lots of waiting.

Feedback on here has been great and I am feverishly taking notes :). DS is actually running this process well so far, but as a parent I want to be able to look over his shoulder and make sure he isn't missing anything and making sure he is organizing appropriately.
Last question (for now) - when does the portal "open"? I thought it opened when he applied for summer seminar?
Thanks again to all!
 
The admissions cycle starts around May 1 - June 1 of each year. Until that time, USNA is focused on the current class, BGOs don't yet have the new candidate class in their systems, MOCs haven't yet started their process, etc. So, as above posters have suggested, it's a time to gather general information, understand what will be required, etc.

Once the cycle starts, IMO it's important to balance speed with substance with other activities. You will hear about candidates who have "everything" completed by July 1. In some areas of the country, high schools are still in session the 3rd week of June. Much more important for those kids to study for exams than to fill out USNA applications. Some kids are incredibly busy over the summer (work, camp, sports, etc.) whereas others don't do much except applications. There's not a one-size-fits all.

A few thoughts (some of which echo the above).

1. Check and DOUBLE CHECK your MOC deadlines and requirements. There are lots of new MOCs in office and their deadlines and what they request may vary greatly from their predecessors. You do not want to miss their deadlines.

2. Do early the things that you can easily do early. This includes the CFA. If you're in good shape from spring sports, ask your PE teacher/coach to do the test either before you leave school for the year or over the summer. Talk to your teachers about recs -- your junior teacher recs are key for USNA at least. If USNA truly is your first choice, make sure they know that.

3. Feel free to contact your BGO but don't make your first item asking him/her to interview you (see my sticky above). Get some of your packet complete before you request an interview.

4. Provide guidance to your DS/DD but let him/her take the lead. For example, offer to proof essays, not write them. Let your kid be the one to call/email the MOCs, BGO, Admissions, etc.

The process seems daunting but thousands of kids each year navigate it successfully, many of whom have no prior experience with the military. It's more work than required for most colleges/universities, but it's not rocket science either.

Finally, make sure a SA is your kid's desire/dream, not yours. There are many paths to success in life in general and service as an officer in particular. SAs are but one of them.
 
Been lurking on this forum for a while - great info and very helpful to those of us very new to the process. Thanks to everyone that manages and contributes to this forum.

As my DS is now officially pursuing 2024 SA appts, at what point does timeline become clear? Contacting BGO? CFA? Applying to MOCs? Prelim app? Letters of Recoms?

Completed Summer apps for USNA, WP and USAFA. Do we need to relax for now or GO?


My DD was in the same shoes last year as your DS. She was successful in the application process for the USMA, USAFA, and USNA. Since you posted this in the USNA forum, I'll try to concentrate on making this a USNA-specific gouge.

1) One of my bosses was a USMA grad. His wife was a USMA grad. Three (or maybe 4?) of their kids went to USMA. One of the many advice he gave to me was to have my DD look into Girls State. He said it's a positive discriminator for SA selection. Take a look at the Boys State website. IF your DS thinks the week will be worthwhile for him, then he should be applying for Boys State around this time. Don't do Boys State just to add to an application. Do it if it'll be value-added in your DS's development. My DD applied and was selected for Girls State. I think the American Legion Auxillary informed her in late Feb/early Mar of her selection. She didn't get as much out of Girls State as compared to SLE.

2) I colleague of mine had a ton of skill badges on his uniform. One of them was the President's Hundred badge which is a sharpshooting award. I asked him what he did to get it. He said something along the lines of, "You'd be amazed at what you can accomplish with some practice."

So there you go...
- the SAs superscore ACTs/SATs. Your DS should be practicing taking the exams by looking at lots of questions in a time-limited setting. Take the exams multiple times. If you have to, have your DS consider one a practice ACT/SAT. My DD took the ACT 4 times.
- CFA. My DD got accepted to SLE in maybe early Feb? At that point, she put a mark on the calendar on when she will take the CFA during SLE. We knew the CFA is done the Sunday of SLE so she had a target date. The reason she wanted to do the CFA at SLE is because USMA requires a video of the push-ups and pull-ups. We thought it would be a PIA to take the video, upload, etc... Even if she were to take the CFA at the USNA NASS and USAFA SS, USMA will not accept unless there is a video of the 2 events. If she took the CFA at SLE and did well, then she knew she can send the scores to USNA and USAFA. The reverse (eg USNA NASS to USMA) isn't true though unless a video was done. She started to practice all the events (less the 1 mile run) in April. She looked at the CFA videos on YouTube for techniques. We met at the gym after her track practice starting in April. On the weekends, we practiced in front of the house. When I couldn't be there for her practice, she did it on her own. She did well enough on the CFA at SLE and had the results sent to USAFA and USNA. Done! That was early June. No worries about doing a CFA for the rest of the summer. No more throwing a basketball from your knees. In this whole "exercise", she got a chance to hone her backwards planning skills.

3) Triggering the DODMERB exam. My DD doesn't like to miss classes or meets/games/practice for her in-season sport. She wanted to finish her DODMERB exam before the summer was done. Unlike the USAFA application, she didn't know how to trigger an exam by the USNA. The USAFA app said if she completed 3 (or it could have been 4) requirements, then a DODMERB exam can be scheduled. She didn't get that type of guidance from the USNA app. Sources on this forum say finishing 2/3 or 3/4 of the requirements will trigger the DODMERB exam from USNA.

I say this because the USNA app opened for her in early May. Some of requirements were things she was able to do before school let out for the summer. One was a recommendation from a math teacher from junior or senior year. She talked to her pre-calc teacher when the portal opened and gave him heads up about a recommendation. He agreed to do one for her. I think he got that done in mid-June. Another requirement is HS transcript. As soon as school let out, she sent a request to her GC to submit her 6 semester transcripts to USNA. That got done in mid-June also. If your DS is lucky enough to have a good junior english teacher, then he/she can complete the english teacher eval even before the end of junior year.

When it was all said and done, her DODMERB exam was triggered in late June. She made appointments right away and everything got sent to DODMERB by late July.

4) Noms. Apply for all that your DS is eligible. If I recall, the app for our junior senator opened in March so my DD worked on that early. Our senior senator nom app didn't open until June. Our rep nom app didn't open until 1 Aug. Fortunately, none of her MOCs were due for a re-election. Actually, our rep was due for a re-election but our district is so in one direction she won with 60%+ of the votes. I discuss re-election because it can throw a curveball (or a Max Scherzer slider) later in the fall if the MOC doesn't get re-elected.

She called the staff at our rep's office before school let out (app not available until Aug) and asked if the requirements for the nom will be the same. The staffer said the requirements will be the same. With that knowledge in hand, she began to grease the skids with 3 of her teachers/coaches that she will be asking for LORs later in the summer. The app required a picture too. When she took her senior year pic during the summer, she made sure she ordered a 4x6 pic to include with the rep nom app.

The app for our senior senator wasn't open until June, so she did the same thing in May. She called the staffer in charge of noms and asked if the requirements would be the same.

So I guess my point here is even though the nom apps may not be open until later, your DS can use the current app on the MOC website to give him a general idea of what will be required. He can start working on the requirements when he comes up for air (we need to realize our kids are still in school and studying for standardized exams as juniors) and NOT have to start when apps are actually open for the current cycle.

5) LORs/Statements of Evaluation. I got this idea from this forum and made a recommendation to her. She made the final decision on this piece. When she sent her request to the teachers for LOR/SOE, she sent a bio (3/4 page), CV/resume, and her answers to the essay prompts. I think it helped the teachers craft a nice LOR/SOE for her with the additional info in hand. It helped also that my DD is well-known in the school as star XC and long distance track athlete and in a handful of impactful leadership positions, so the teachers had that knowledge from which to draw. I think (I don't know because I didn't read the emails) she even sent her essay from the Common App to her teachers to add another data point for their input.

6) Lawnmower parent. I didn't know what this is until I googled it. I know what a helicopter parent is and I am guilty to a certain degree of being one. I am also guilty of being a lawnmower parent to a certain degree too. I thought I was just setting the conditions for my DD to be successful in life. Crossing the line though can be a lawnmower parent. Try not to be a helicopter or lawnmower parent.

Not once did I contact the RC. Good thing too. I heard my DD's RC will take an email or call from a parent once. After that one contact, the RC will tell the parent to have the DS or DD make the contact. My DD was the only one to contact the MOC staff too. I did teach her to put "Very Respectfully" or "VR" after every email. Make your DS request transcripts to be sent. If transcripts aren't sent, make your DS ping the GC (or whoever is supposed to send the transcript). I made my DD troubleshoot things if she got stuck or run into a roadblock.

HOWEVER, there could be a time where your DS may make an error that is difficult to overcome or remedy (maybe even prevent admission to a SA for this cycle). It is those situations that you have to use your judgement that more assistance from you is needed BEFORE the error is made.

Hope this helps a bit.
 
Been lurking on this forum for a while - great info and very helpful to those of us very new to the process. Thanks to everyone that manages and contributes to this forum.

As my DS is now officially pursuing 2024 SA appts, at what point does timeline become clear? Contacting BGO? CFA? Applying to MOCs? Prelim app? Letters of Recoms?

Completed Summer apps for USNA, WP and USAFA. Do we need to relax for now or GO?


My DD was in the same shoes last year as your DS. She was successful in the application process for the USMA, USAFA, and USNA. Since you posted this in the USNA forum, I'll try to concentrate on making this a USNA-specific gouge.

1) One of my bosses was a USMA grad. His wife was a USMA grad. Three (or maybe 4?) of their kids went to USMA. One of the many advice he gave to me was to have my DD look into Girls State. He said it's a positive discriminator for SA selection. Take a look at the Boys State website. IF your DS thinks the week will be worthwhile for him, then he should be applying for Boys State around this time. Don't do Boys State just to add to an application. Do it if it'll be value-added in your DS's development. My DD applied and was selected for Girls State. I think the American Legion Auxillary informed her in late Feb/early Mar of her selection. She didn't get as much out of Girls State as compared to SLE.

2) I colleague of mine had a ton of skill badges on his uniform. One of them was the President's Hundred badge which is a sharpshooting award. I asked him what he did to get it. He said something along the lines of, "You'd be amazed at what you can accomplish with some practice."

So there you go...
- the SAs superscore ACTs/SATs. Your DS should be practicing taking the exams by looking at lots of questions in a time-limited setting. Take the exams multiple times. If you have to, have your DS consider one a practice ACT/SAT. My DD took the ACT 4 times.
- CFA. My DD got accepted to SLE in maybe early Feb? At that point, she put a mark on the calendar on when she will take the CFA during SLE. We knew the CFA is done the Sunday of SLE so she had a target date. The reason she wanted to do the CFA at SLE is because USMA requires a video of the push-ups and pull-ups. We thought it would be a PIA to take the video, upload, etc... Even if she were to take the CFA at the USNA NASS and USAFA SS, USMA will not accept unless there is a video of the 2 events. If she took the CFA at SLE and did well, then she knew she can send the scores to USNA and USAFA. The reverse (eg USNA NASS to USMA) isn't true though unless a video was done. She started to practice all the events (less the 1 mile run) in April. She looked at the CFA videos on YouTube for techniques. We met at the gym after her track practice starting in April. On the weekends, we practiced in front of the house. When I couldn't be there for her practice, she did it on her own. She did well enough on the CFA at SLE and had the results sent to USAFA and USNA. Done! That was early June. No worries about doing a CFA for the rest of the summer. No more throwing a basketball from your knees. In this whole "exercise", she got a chance to hone her backwards planning skills.

3) Triggering the DODMERB exam. My DD doesn't like to miss classes or meets/games/practice for her in-season sport. She wanted to finish her DODMERB exam before the summer was done. Unlike the USAFA application, she didn't know how to trigger an exam by the USNA. The USAFA app said if she completed 3 (or it could have been 4) requirements, then a DODMERB exam can be scheduled. She didn't get that type of guidance from the USNA app. Sources on this forum say finishing 2/3 or 3/4 of the requirements will trigger the DODMERB exam from USNA.

I say this because the USNA app opened for her in early May. Some of requirements were things she was able to do before school let out for the summer. One was a recommendation from a math teacher from junior or senior year. She talked to her pre-calc teacher when the portal opened and gave him heads up about a recommendation. He agreed to do one for her. I think he got that done in mid-June. Another requirement is HS transcript. As soon as school let out, she sent a request to her GC to submit her 6 semester transcripts to USNA. That got done in mid-June also. If your DS is lucky enough to have a good junior english teacher, then he/she can complete the english teacher eval even before the end of junior year.

When it was all said and done, her DODMERB exam was triggered in late June. She made appointments right away and everything got sent to DODMERB by late July.

4) Noms. Apply for all that your DS is eligible. If I recall, the app for our junior senator opened in March so my DD worked on that early. Our senior senator nom app didn't open until June. Our rep nom app didn't open until 1 Aug. Fortunately, none of her MOCs were due for a re-election. Actually, our rep was due for a re-election but our district is so in one direction she won with 60%+ of the votes. I discuss re-election because it can throw a curveball (or a Max Scherzer slider) later in the fall if the MOC doesn't get re-elected.

She called the staff at our rep's office before school let out (app not available until Aug) and asked if the requirements for the nom will be the same. The staffer said the requirements will be the same. With that knowledge in hand, she began to grease the skids with 3 of her teachers/coaches that she will be asking for LORs later in the summer. The app required a picture too. When she took her senior year pic during the summer, she made sure she ordered a 4x6 pic to include with the rep nom app.

The app for our senior senator wasn't open until June, so she did the same thing in May. She called the staffer in charge of noms and asked if the requirements would be the same.

So I guess my point here is even though the nom apps may not be open until later, your DS can use the current app on the MOC website to give him a general idea of what will be required. He can start working on the requirements when he comes up for air (we need to realize our kids are still in school and studying for standardized exams as juniors) and NOT have to start when apps are actually open for the current cycle.

5) LORs/Statements of Evaluation. I got this idea from this forum and made a recommendation to her. She made the final decision on this piece. When she sent her request to the teachers for LOR/SOE, she sent a bio (3/4 page), CV/resume, and her answers to the essay prompts. I think it helped the teachers craft a nice LOR/SOE for her with the additional info in hand. It helped also that my DD is well-known in the school as star XC and long distance track athlete and in a handful of impactful leadership positions, so the teachers had that knowledge from which to draw. I think (I don't know because I didn't read the emails) she even sent her essay from the Common App to her teachers to add another data point for their input.

6) Lawnmower parent. I didn't know what this is until I googled it. I know what a helicopter parent is and I am guilty to a certain degree of being one. I am also guilty of being a lawnmower parent to a certain degree too. I thought I was just setting the conditions for my DD to be successful in life. Crossing the line though can be a lawnmower parent. Try not to be a helicopter or lawnmower parent.

Not once did I contact the RC. Good thing too. I heard my DD's RC will take an email or call from a parent once. After that one contact, the RC will tell the parent to have the DS or DD make the contact. My DD was the only one to contact the MOC staff too. I did teach her to put "Very Respectfully" or "VR" after every email. Make your DS request transcripts to be sent. If transcripts aren't sent, make your DS ping the GC (or whoever is supposed to send the transcript). I made my DD troubleshoot things if she got stuck or run into a roadblock.

HOWEVER, there could be a time where your DS may make an error that is difficult to overcome or remedy (maybe even prevent admission to a SA for this cycle). It is those situations that you have to use your judgement that more assistance from you is needed BEFORE the error is made.

Hope this helps a bit.

The cooperation and generosity of people on this forum is fantastic. All these responses have been tremendously helpful and I have printed them all out to hand over to DS. Thank you!
 
Been lurking on this forum for a while - great info and very helpful to those of us very new to the process. Thanks to everyone that manages and contributes to this forum.

As my DS is now officially pursuing 2024 SA appts, at what point does timeline become clear? Contacting BGO? CFA? Applying to MOCs? Prelim app? Letters of Recoms?

Completed Summer apps for USNA, WP and USAFA. Do we need to relax for now or GO?


My DD was in the same shoes last year as your DS. She was successful in the application process for the USMA, USAFA, and USNA. Since you posted this in the USNA forum, I'll try to concentrate on making this a USNA-specific gouge.

1) One of my bosses was a USMA grad. His wife was a USMA grad. Three (or maybe 4?) of their kids went to USMA. One of the many advice he gave to me was to have my DD look into Girls State. He said it's a positive discriminator for SA selection. Take a look at the Boys State website. IF your DS thinks the week will be worthwhile for him, then he should be applying for Boys State around this time. Don't do Boys State just to add to an application. Do it if it'll be value-added in your DS's development. My DD applied and was selected for Girls State. I think the American Legion Auxillary informed her in late Feb/early Mar of her selection. She didn't get as much out of Girls State as compared to SLE.

2) I colleague of mine had a ton of skill badges on his uniform. One of them was the President's Hundred badge which is a sharpshooting award. I asked him what he did to get it. He said something along the lines of, "You'd be amazed at what you can accomplish with some practice."

So there you go...
- the SAs superscore ACTs/SATs. Your DS should be practicing taking the exams by looking at lots of questions in a time-limited setting. Take the exams multiple times. If you have to, have your DS consider one a practice ACT/SAT. My DD took the ACT 4 times.
- CFA. My DD got accepted to SLE in maybe early Feb? At that point, she put a mark on the calendar on when she will take the CFA during SLE. We knew the CFA is done the Sunday of SLE so she had a target date. The reason she wanted to do the CFA at SLE is because USMA requires a video of the push-ups and pull-ups. We thought it would be a PIA to take the video, upload, etc... Even if she were to take the CFA at the USNA NASS and USAFA SS, USMA will not accept unless there is a video of the 2 events. If she took the CFA at SLE and did well, then she knew she can send the scores to USNA and USAFA. The reverse (eg USNA NASS to USMA) isn't true though unless a video was done. She started to practice all the events (less the 1 mile run) in April. She looked at the CFA videos on YouTube for techniques. We met at the gym after her track practice starting in April. On the weekends, we practiced in front of the house. When I couldn't be there for her practice, she did it on her own. She did well enough on the CFA at SLE and had the results sent to USAFA and USNA. Done! That was early June. No worries about doing a CFA for the rest of the summer. No more throwing a basketball from your knees. In this whole "exercise", she got a chance to hone her backwards planning skills.

3) Triggering the DODMERB exam. My DD doesn't like to miss classes or meets/games/practice for her in-season sport. She wanted to finish her DODMERB exam before the summer was done. Unlike the USAFA application, she didn't know how to trigger an exam by the USNA. The USAFA app said if she completed 3 (or it could have been 4) requirements, then a DODMERB exam can be scheduled. She didn't get that type of guidance from the USNA app. Sources on this forum say finishing 2/3 or 3/4 of the requirements will trigger the DODMERB exam from USNA.

I say this because the USNA app opened for her in early May. Some of requirements were things she was able to do before school let out for the summer. One was a recommendation from a math teacher from junior or senior year. She talked to her pre-calc teacher when the portal opened and gave him heads up about a recommendation. He agreed to do one for her. I think he got that done in mid-June. Another requirement is HS transcript. As soon as school let out, she sent a request to her GC to submit her 6 semester transcripts to USNA. That got done in mid-June also. If your DS is lucky enough to have a good junior english teacher, then he/she can complete the english teacher eval even before the end of junior year.

When it was all said and done, her DODMERB exam was triggered in late June. She made appointments right away and everything got sent to DODMERB by late July.

4) Noms. Apply for all that your DS is eligible. If I recall, the app for our junior senator opened in March so my DD worked on that early. Our senior senator nom app didn't open until June. Our rep nom app didn't open until 1 Aug. Fortunately, none of her MOCs were due for a re-election. Actually, our rep was due for a re-election but our district is so in one direction she won with 60%+ of the votes. I discuss re-election because it can throw a curveball (or a Max Scherzer slider) later in the fall if the MOC doesn't get re-elected.

She called the staff at our rep's office before school let out (app not available until Aug) and asked if the requirements for the nom will be the same. The staffer said the requirements will be the same. With that knowledge in hand, she began to grease the skids with 3 of her teachers/coaches that she will be asking for LORs later in the summer. The app required a picture too. When she took her senior year pic during the summer, she made sure she ordered a 4x6 pic to include with the rep nom app.

The app for our senior senator wasn't open until June, so she did the same thing in May. She called the staffer in charge of noms and asked if the requirements would be the same.

So I guess my point here is even though the nom apps may not be open until later, your DS can use the current app on the MOC website to give him a general idea of what will be required. He can start working on the requirements when he comes up for air (we need to realize our kids are still in school and studying for standardized exams as juniors) and NOT have to start when apps are actually open for the current cycle.

5) LORs/Statements of Evaluation. I got this idea from this forum and made a recommendation to her. She made the final decision on this piece. When she sent her request to the teachers for LOR/SOE, she sent a bio (3/4 page), CV/resume, and her answers to the essay prompts. I think it helped the teachers craft a nice LOR/SOE for her with the additional info in hand. It helped also that my DD is well-known in the school as star XC and long distance track athlete and in a handful of impactful leadership positions, so the teachers had that knowledge from which to draw. I think (I don't know because I didn't read the emails) she even sent her essay from the Common App to her teachers to add another data point for their input.

6) Lawnmower parent. I didn't know what this is until I googled it. I know what a helicopter parent is and I am guilty to a certain degree of being one. I am also guilty of being a lawnmower parent to a certain degree too. I thought I was just setting the conditions for my DD to be successful in life. Crossing the line though can be a lawnmower parent. Try not to be a helicopter or lawnmower parent.

Not once did I contact the RC. Good thing too. I heard my DD's RC will take an email or call from a parent once. After that one contact, the RC will tell the parent to have the DS or DD make the contact. My DD was the only one to contact the MOC staff too. I did teach her to put "Very Respectfully" or "VR" after every email. Make your DS request transcripts to be sent. If transcripts aren't sent, make your DS ping the GC (or whoever is supposed to send the transcript). I made my DD troubleshoot things if she got stuck or run into a roadblock.

HOWEVER, there could be a time where your DS may make an error that is difficult to overcome or remedy (maybe even prevent admission to a SA for this cycle). It is those situations that you have to use your judgement that more assistance from you is needed BEFORE the error is made.

Hope this helps a bit.


Would you or anyone be able to explain the Girl's State process? I have been emailing her counselor about this since last Fall because I have heard from a couple of other people that this would look favorably on her application. My DD's high school has a new counselor in charge of this program and she has pretty much said she doesn't know much about the process but is asking questions and trying to figure it out. Meanwhile the deadline is approaching. Would you happen to know if belonging to a Auxillary Unit helps? While trying to find out more info, I was pleasantly surprised to find out she (we) qualified to be members. It's a little frustrating that my DD and other students might miss out on an opportunity because the people in charge of this at her HS have no clue as to what they are doing.
 
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