No News is Good News?

I think that officially, as part of usna’s admissions process, they do not officially notify candidates they are “3q” as does usma (right? Is it usma that qualifies candidates?) as part of the official process. It doesn’t mean that when you talk to an admissions counselor l, they won’t divulge your status. But not as part of the official application process. It’s not standard practice to officially notify candidates they are 3q. Also, as stated already, it’s not difficult to infer that one is 3q. But one doesn’t receive a letter or other official notice of “3q status”.
 
An LOA would indicate the candidate is scholastically qualified, no mystery there. They are lacking something else to make them 3Q + Nom to be appointable (made up word). Nom is required but is not generally a part of the 3Q. 3Q is medically, physically and scholastically qualified. No news is no news. I have 2 candidates this year. Neither has heard. One hasn’t even had their package reviewed yet. The other has an package that is extremely impressive. They are anxious like everyone else. Hang in there.
 
NavyHoops said:
An LOA would indicate the candidate is scholastically qualified, no mystery there. They are lacking something else to make them 3Q + Nom to be appointable (made up word). Nom is required but is not generally a part of the 3Q. 3Q is medically, physically and scholastically qualified. No news is no news. I have 2 candidates this year. Neither has heard. One hasn’t even had their package reviewed yet. The other has an package that is extremely impressive. They are anxious like everyone else. Hang in there.
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Ap`point´a`ble
a. 1. Capable of being appointed or constituted.

It’s a real word!
 
I never tell my candidates the same thing. If they ask I politely explain that is something that I am not allowed to disclose per admissions.
 
I do not, and will not tell my candidates if they are 3’QD and I hate it when BGO’s do it.
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Ditto. Fact is every candidate knows if he/she is medically and CFA qualified. LOA candidates also know they are qualified by the Board.
 
Conversely, if you are currently CPR and you ask admissions if you are 3Q, they will certainly not tell you. Your BGO has access to that info, but is prohibited from telling you. Yes, there are some BGOs who break that rule, but it is what it is.

Also, the quote above that "55% of those that are 3Q with a nom are appointed" is misleading. The actual number is closer to 42%. Even that number is misleading because it doesn't include the candidates who are medically DQ, and otherwise qualified, who are waiting for a waiver. They are still being considered and are competing for an offer. If they are selected, they are either processed for a waiver and (after the waiver is granted) given an appointment, or they are given an LOA pending the result of the waiver process. Obviously, if they don't get the waiver, they are not 3Q and cannot get an appointment.

Each year, there are about 6500 or so nominations, and there are about 6000 completed records that go to the Board. There are about 3100-3300 fully qualified candidates (3Q w/ Nom), but the number who are still in the running (2Q w/ Nom waiting for waiver) is higher, somewhere between 3300 and 6000. They are competing for about 1350 offers of appointment.

That number includes about 240 NAPS candidates and 80 or so Foundation candidates who are basically guaranteed an appointment if they are qualified and have a nom.

The point is, if you are still CPR, even if you are medically DQ, you are still in the running until you are told that you aren't.

Good Luck!
 
A6E Dad said:
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That number includes about 240 NAPS candidates and 80 or so Foundation candidates who are basically guaranteed an appointment if they are qualified and have a nom.
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Good Luck!
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@A6E Dad …. Your NAPS and Foundation pool above is the Current class in Newport RI right now. Is this correct?

Also, are current NAPSter Appointees in your list of 6000 candidate files between the 3101 - 6000th ranked application, or are they anywhere in the Mix (1st to 6000th)?

Our daughter was Appointed to NAPS early this month, and she has a NJROTC nomination.

Just curious where the current Slate of 2020 NAPS/Foundation appointees fall in the Rank.

Btw: Daughter is competing in NoVAs Comstock 10th district (now Wexton) and there were 109 USNA interviews for a Nomination. She was sent a Nice letter from Comstocks academy review chief saying that she was Right on Edge, and could fall back in with a MOC Nom … but they also sent a Letter of Recommendation for NAPS primarily because of her Grades (Grades are not big with us --- Montessori through 5th --- In fact, I had No idea what her class rank was until last summer --- what a shock --- I always told her that her grades look great --- I am PhD EE and had a 3.4 HS GPA in 1980 graduating top 5% --- Boy, times have changed). Her writing skills are phenomenal (lots of awards) and her SAT she took "One Time" and it was very good, both Math and Verbal. She is a smart kid, just needs to reign in those Time Management skills.
 
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correct, the current NAPSters and Foundation students are included in the group competing for this years 1350 offers of appointment, and since they are guaranteed a spot, then all the other candidates are competing for a smaller number.

The 6000 is the approximate number of candidates who complete the application and go to the Board. The board will either Recommend for USNA (Qualified), Recommend for NAPS or Foundation, Defer, or Reject.

The number of candidates who are qualified by the Board, and are also Physically and Medically qualified, and have a nom is about 3100-3300. If you add the candidates who are medically DQ but otherwise qualified (meaning they are still in the running) that number probably goes up to about 4000-4500 (I don't have that actual number). From that group, 1350 will receive offers which is about 30-33% - that includes about 300-320 NAPS and Foundation. If you remove that group, you have something like 3700-4200 candidates competing for the remaining 1030 or so spots, about 25-28%.

If your DD has already been appointed to NAPS, then she would no longer be considered for direct appointment (there may have been previous cases where a NAPS appointee was later offered a direct appointment, but even if possible it would be exceedingly rare). NAPS is an outstanding opportunity where she will become very well prepared and this time next year she will have a spot waiting for her!
 
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A6E Dad said:
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If your DD has already been appointed to NAPS, then she would no longer be considered for direct appointment (there may have been previous cases where a NAPS appointee was later offered a direct appointment, but even if possible it would be exceedingly rare). NAPS is an outstanding opportunity where she will become very well prepared and this time next year she will have a spot waiting for her!
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Thank you so much for your analysis (both posts together). This is awesome insight.

DD can really use NAPS. I am so happy they chose NAPS over a Direct Appointment. The Board knows what they are doing. She needs to get used to the rigorous schedule and routine. She also needs to "Re-Program" her priorities, which are currently "All over the Place" because she is so heavily involved in so many different activities. She takes all the Hard Math and Science subjects, and did well as far as I am concerned ... but the academy requires a little more attention to detail (Ooppps factor).

NAPS will reign her in.
 
SAMom said:
My son made his best friends at Naps! There’s about 5 of them who played football and are still close to this day!! Good luck and Go Navy!!
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This is all starting to sink in …. This is really big. This Board has really helped me see all the intricate details of this "Thing". This is truly an honor for her …. My father who was a retired Navy Captain gave her the best advice when he was sick before he passed away in 2015. She asked him in the Hospital before her Freshman HS year, should she take the Academy of Science route or the NJROTC route, and he said "... take the NJROTC path because your HS already has a great Science and Math program …. While I wasn't in agreement at the time, my Father knew better ….

She chose NAPS over some quality Virginia schools and Purdue (wife is from Indiana), and another service scholarship …. It is the right thing for her.

NAPS and the USNA will build her up tremendously and she will develop so many long lasting relationships.
 
A6E Dad said:
correct, the current NAPSters and Foundation students are included in the group competing for this years 1350 offers of appointment, and since they are guaranteed a spot, then all the other candidates are competing for a smaller number.

The 6000 is the approximate number of candidates who complete the application and go to the Board. The board will either Recommend for USNA (Qualified), Recommend for NAPS or Foundation, Defer, or Reject.

The number of candidates who are qualified by the Board, and are also Physically and Medically qualified, and have a nom is about 3100-3300. If you add the candidates who are medically DQ but otherwise qualified (meaning they are still in the running) that number probably goes up to about 4000-4500 (I don't have that actual number). From that group, 1350 will receive offers which is about 30-33% - that includes about 300-320 NAPS and Foundation. If you remove that group, you have something like 3700-4200 candidates competing for the remaining 1030 or so spots, about 25-28%.

If your DD has already been appointed to NAPS, then she would no longer be considered for direct appointment (there may have been previous cases where a NAPS appointee was later offered a direct appointment, but even if possible it would be exceedingly rare). NAPS is an outstanding opportunity where she will become very well prepared and this time next year she will have a spot waiting for her!
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A6E Dad -
Thank you for breaking down the stats of admissions. Do you know if there are two different review boards for candidates i.e. an academic review board and a separate admissions board? Reason why I ask is if a candidate is "rejected" by academic review board, is there still a chance for NAPS/Foundation? Or is it if a candidate is rejected by academic review board, the candidate will likely receive a TWE?
 
NAPS attendees who are not enlisted are usually there because they are academically unqualified but there are other characteristics that seem promising. Admissions decides that they would benefit from having the candidate attend NAPs for a year. The internal process of how they determine this really makes no difference. If such a candidate is not offered NAPs then they would receive a TWE.
 
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A6E Dad -
Thank you for breaking down the stats of admissions. Do you know if there are two different review boards for candidates i.e. an academic review board and a separate admissions board? Reason why I ask is if a candidate is "rejected" by academic review board, is there still a chance for NAPS/Foundation? Or is it if a candidate is rejected by academic review board, the candidate will likely receive a TWE?
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There is only one admissions board. They review the candidates package and look at many factors to determine if they are qualified and if they aren’t, should foundation or NAPS be offered. Admissions doesn’t release why someone would be offered prep vs a TWE. It’s pure speculation, but over the years I have seen prep offers to many great candidates. For some it’s because they might not of had a traditional school path. Maybe an isolated overseas assignment for a parent or homeschooling and USNA thinks a year of some type of prep would help. Maybe a candidate goes to a small rural school that only offers up to pre-calc. Maybe their academics vs standardized test scores are very different and think prep could help. Maybe someone has an incredibly strong package but just can’t seem to bring a math ACT above a 27. I am not admissions, but the prep option helps to bring great candidates. BGOs during interviews are supposed to discuss prep and ask about a candidates willingness to attend. I have had candidates who said they wouldn’t attend. Some will jump at the chance. There are more TWEs issued than spots offered to prep.
 
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