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Here's the truth. Yale bounced 10 of 18. Rutgers bounced 11. Those are real stats. These were good kids that were showing up and trying hard. AF is not doing the right thing for our youth. You can't tell me 10 of 18 were bad cadets. NO YOU CAN'T. Thunderbolt you would not have been through if you were in this class and that is a fact.
 
mtnwing said:
Here's the truth. Yale bounced 10 of 18. Rutgers bounced 11. Those are real stats. These were good kids that were showing up and trying hard. AF is not doing the right thing for our youth. You can't tell me 10 of 18 were bad cadets. NO YOU CAN'T. Thunderbolt you would not have been through if you were in this class and that is a fact.
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What can I do Thunderbolt and Stealth to have you advocate for good kids instead of sitting on the high tower. These kids were doing the right thing. Can I have a call with either one of you and show you their track record and have you speak to them? Can we do that?
 
mtnwing said:
Here's the truth. Yale bounced 10 of 18. Rutgers bounced 11. Those are real stats. These were good kids that were showing up and trying hard. AF is not doing the right thing for our youth. You can't tell me 10 of 18 were bad cadets. NO YOU CAN'T. Thunderbolt you would not have been through if you were in this class and that is a fact.
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I'm done. The mods can handle it now.
 
mtnwing said:
For the second time I am the stupid parent. I hope other parents learn from our mistakes. The AF is great but we did not have a good experience and I guess it was our fault again.
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I can't say my son was aware either. I'm sure something he signed probably said something somewhere, but he was pretty much told that as a scholarship cadet, unless he screws something up, he will get an EA slot.
His detachment also did not make cadets aware of what their ranking in their detachment might be. He showed up for everything, volunteered for extra, had good (though not perfect) grades in a tough major (engineering). His weakness was his PFA (slow run), but still well above passing. Very high AFOQT scores. He upheld his end. He did not expect this.
So maybe the cadre is supposed to tell some of these things to the cadets - but maybe they don't do their job.
 
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Jdjuli said:
I received an appointment to USAFA this year and just recently received a Type 1 AFROTC scholarship which if I used would be at Duke. With more AFROTC cadets being dropped in sophomore year, would it be wiser to go to USAFA vs. Duke?
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If your goal is to be an AF Officer, USAFA is a safer bet. Once you are in, there is no checkpoint at the end of your sophomore year where you could lose your scholarship (AFROTC is a 2+2 scholarship). If you follow the rules, keep your grades up, and complete the program, you will commission as a 2nd Lt. It is normally that way in AFROTC too; however, their scholarship is a 2+2 for a reason and it is to deal with total force issues like we are experiencing now. Also as you can see from the above discussion, if/when cuts are made, AFROTC will get hit before USAFA. USAFA doesn't downsize existing classes, they may and have reduced the number of appointments for incoming classes.

The lifestyle is different and is not for everyone. It just depends on your goals. If you 100% want to be an AF officer and fly, you have a better chance at USAFA than Duke. (And as you can guess by my handle, I am very fond of a certain university in Durham and my blood runs a very dark shade of blue) GTHC
 
mtnwing said:
We had the same exact conversation with our two sons. One at Yale and the other at Notre Dame.
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mtnwing said:
Go to the academy as my son is at an Ivy and has a perfect A for two years and he is losing his scholarships for the next two years.
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I won't even try to defend the way the Military handles human resources. Ambiguous, arbitrary, wasteful are just a few words to describe much of it. But that really doesn't matter at this point.

What does matter is what is he doing about his situation? Has your son spoken to Admissions and Finaid?
 
mtnwing said:
when the AF shows up and tells the parents and kid you have a 4 year type 1 and doesn't say we can take it away you assume there is integrity. Then you realize that has been lost when they take it away and say they can do that. No one ever told us our son can lose his scholarship if he has straight A's and scores well in the unit. No one did. Not at his unit and not at his recruitment office. So this is crap.
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Well technically they did tell your kid, since it’s part of the contract. Though I realize since your kid was the person that signed, you may not have read the contract.

Look, I understand your frustration, truly I do. In your eyes, the military didn’t uphold their end of the bargain. And while this may be true to a degree, the government does this all the time - not just in the military. It’s not going to change because, well, it’s the government and they can pretty much do as they please. But look on the bright side: your son/daughter could have made it through the entire AFROTC program, only to get pushed into a job they really didn’t want. I’ve spent my entire Air Force career in a career field I downright despised. Luckily I’m coming up on the end of my commitment, but had I known what was in store for me from the beginning, I would have traded places with your kid in an instant.
 
mtnwing said:
Here's the truth. Yale bounced 10 of 18. Rutgers bounced 11. Those are real stats. These were good kids that were showing up and trying hard. AF is not doing the right thing for our youth. You can't tell me 10 of 18 were bad cadets. NO YOU CAN'T. Thunderbolt you would not have been through if you were in this class and that is a fact.
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Neither the Air Force nor anyone here has said they are bad cadets. Their manpower needs have changed and they don't need the same amount of people anymore. It works just like the corporate world.
 
cb7893 said:
I won't even try to defend the way the Military handles human resources. Ambiguous, arbitrary, wasteful are just a few words to describe much of it. But that really doesn't matter at this point.

What does matter is what is he doing about his situation? Has your son spoken to Admissions and Finaid?
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It matters because other cadets are making decisions based on these posts on if the AF is going to honor commitments or not vs their academic 4 years scholarships some place else where they don't bounce candidates based on the way the wind blows. For you to suggest I am questioning it is not sane as we as parents or kids must do this and understand risks. The risks of joining the AF under ROTC scholarship are apparently very huge. You can be a straight A student at a top university and a 4 year IS NOT a 4 YEAR. That is what we learned. Sorry if that puts AF in a bad light but that is what happened here. They didn't Care. ALSO had no plan to help him transition. They basically told him its 4 years and do well and then yanked the rug out. Facts. I can post texts from the commander if needed but I really don't want to hurt others.
 
kinnem said:
Neither the Air Force nor anyone here has said they are bad cadets. Their manpower needs have changed and they don't need the same amount of people anymore. It works just like the corporate world.
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They told us he had a four year scholarship. They should have told us that he had a contingent scholarship. They sat in front of 300 people at his high school and said the AF was giving out a 4 year scholarship. We were duped. They did this to promote the AF but they didn't back up what they said. it's on video and it's bad
 
kinnem said:
Neither the Air Force nor anyone here has said they are bad cadets. Their manpower needs have changed and they don't need the same amount of people anymore. It works just like the corporate world.
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No the corporate world doesn't say you have 4 years and then give you 2. They say you are day to day. What happened at HS graduation is they showed up and said he had a 4 year Type 1. They did not say. It was dependent on budget. They told him do well in school and fitness and you will be fine. That was a total lie.
 
mtnwing said:
For the second time I am the stupid parent. I hope other parents learn from our mistakes. The AF is great but we did not have a good experience and I guess it was our fault again.
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I can't say my son was aware either. I'm sure something he signed probably said something somewhere, but he was pretty much told that as a scholarship cadet, unless he screws something up, he will get an EA slot.
His detachment also did not make cadets aware of what their ranking in their detachment might be. He showed up for everything, volunteered for extra, had good (though not perfect) grades in a tough major (engineering). His weakness was his PFA (slow run), but still well above passing. Very high AFOQT scores. He upheld his end. He did not expect this.
So maybe the cadre is supposed to tell some of these things to the cadets - but maybe they don't do their job.


So I am not the only one?
brought up a true issue that the AF was not up front with parents and kids?
 
mtnwing said:
So I am not the only one?
brought up a true issue that the AF was not up front with parents and kids?
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Pay very close attention...as this is a Personal Service Announcement to you.

IT....IS....IN....THE....CONTRACT....HE....SIGNED.

The "forewarning / heads-up / notice /advice" you claim to have never received IS....IN....WRITING....THAT....WAS....PROVIDED....TO....HIM....BEFORE....HE....CONTRACTED....WITH....THE....AIR....FORCE.

Clear enough?

I can break out some pie charts and bar graphs, if you'd like.

Here to help!!!!! ✈
 
mtnwing - Sounds like you were taking the reins rather than your son. Maybe that is the problem. All I know is that there are no guarantees in life and we all need to be prepared for whatever comes our way.
 
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