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tgtl said:
@mtnwing You have given a lot of personal information and make it very easy for someone to identify your sons. We know where they go or plan to go school, their years, their last name, the state they live in...Have you considered how your rants may impact them if they continue to pursue the AF or another branch of the military?
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law suit for you as well
 
mtnwing said:
law suit for you as
tgtl said:
@mtnwing You have given a lot of personal information and make it very easy for someone to identify your sons. We know where they go or plan to go school, their years, their last name, the state they live in...Have you considered how your rants may impact them if they continue to pursue the AF or another branch of the military?
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Are you threatening me and my family. That also seems like a problem
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J.T1009 said:
Sorry if I'm a little uninformed but from what I'm reading if you don't get selected for field training you lose your scholarship and you're out just like that? Can someone with more knowledge on this subject please explain the process of how this works??
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yes you are out. But the other folks here don't want to tell you that. They can kick you out for almost nothing.
 
mtnwing said:
calling in the morning. That was a bad decision. Be ready for the call
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you really need to stop. You arent doing yourself any favors. More importantly, nothing said here will change anything. You are right, your son got screwed and based on his performance he should have remained. The AF is a government agency and more importantly, a bureaucracy and its budgets and its needs dictate what it does. Even if we all here agree with you, what do you want to happen. Should we all pick up our pitch folks and drive to the Pentagon to complain? We get it , they lied or more importantly left out some of the finer points when they spoke in front of 300 people. They also didn't mention that x amount of people die in the military from non-combat. End it. You are making yourself look foolish
 
Humey said:
I respect where you are coming from. Yes the AF said it was 4-year scholarship and in the fine print said it wasn't. I have no idea what they told my son when he contracted (no scholarship) and I can guarantee you that half of it went over my son's head when they talked to him. It is absolutely not fair to your son and to the others who are going to be kicked out. However, there is always a but, someone has to be let go as they dont have the numbers. There are horror stories of people let go from the military in the past, how people who were offered pilot spots had their position yanked and eventually let go. If you read the stories, the AF has a habit of going from overstaffed to understaffed based on their decisions. So for whatever criteria they had, your son has to go. I have no problem with you complaining and some people seemed to not be very sympathetic to your cause. However, between your complaint and your defense of your complaints, the number of posts you are making are over the top and make you look less sympathetic. Your son joined in the worst possible time and my son joined in the best possible time and there really isn't anything anyone can do . Chances are if your son started college 2 years from now, he wouldn't have this issue. Why because AF pilots will retire and go for the airlines. Those who postponed their retirements because a guaranteed Air Force Job is way better than no civilians job waiting for them will also create a need for new officers. Yes if the AF was smart, they would keep some of the people realizing that staffing needs will increase in 2 years and not go through the cycle of needing to push people through because they are understaffed. You have made your point, let it go. You have written your warnings to those future high school graduates. It isn't your job to let them know what may or may not happen in the future.
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Why isn't it my job? I wish another parent had told me beware? No one did. So it is my job. Sorry if you see it different. It has been horrible for my family to prepare two kids and have our life turned upside down after they did the right things. Sorry I disagree.
 
PRBWJB said:
yikes!
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Should I have been told it's not a 4 year scholarship? Where did I go wrong as a parent? They looked me in the eye and said your son has a 4 year type 1. Should they have not said even if you get Straight A's we might take it AWAY? It is not truly a 4 year. I would have appreciated that honesty so he didn't turn down the guaranteed 4 year scholarship. We had no idea the AF integrity was meaningless and they could yank it. 2 years with perfect A's and they yanked it. Parents and kids, don't make that mistake if you have a better offer
 
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SOG-SA said:
Once more, with feeling!!!!!!!

IT...IS...IN...THE...CONTRACT
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once more. If you stand in front of 350 people that is a verbal contract and we will soon be in court. You can't stand in front fo 350 people and say one one thing and then say another. To all the Cadets. Do you see what he is saying. They don't care. It's all about fine print. NOT what they said in recruiting or graduation. BAD LOOK for the AF. And he just admitted this.
 
mtnwing said:
Why isn't it my job? I wish another parent had told me beware? No one did. So it is my job. Sorry if you see it different. It has been horrible for my family to prepare two kids and have our life turned upside down after they did the right things. Sorry I disagree.
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my last comment because I know people responding just fuels the fire. Let's say someone had told you that it's not a guaranteed scholarship. Then what would have you have done? Not accept it? I would assume you would have asked if it has ever one bad before and they would have told you that in the past there have been issues but in the last 5-10 years there hasn't been any issues at all and based on the fact that the Air Force still needs another 2000 pilots, there shouldn't be a problem for a long time. And that would have been 100% the truth. What they and you didn't know was Covid was going to hit and retention was going to go sky-high because of it
 
mtnwing said:
once more. If you stand in front of 350 people that is a verbal contract and we will soon be in court. You can't stand in front fo 350 people and say one one thing and then say another. To all the Cadets. Do you see what he is saying. They don't care. It's all about fine print. NOT what they said in recruiting or graduation. BAD LOOK for the AF. And he just admitted this.
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Would it have really made a difference? Two years ago everything was great. No pandemic, no massive budget cuts, sunny every single day. No one could have seen 2020 coming. Even if they had said, "we reserve the right to cut your son from the program as soon as we deem necessary" would it have made any difference back then? I think if you take an honest look you will see that he was going down this path anyway. It's time for you and him to move on. There is still a lot of life left.
 
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