AF introduces Total Force Commissioning Process

Jcleppe said:
Sounds just like the Army ROTC process except for the part in bold, that is not an option in the Army....yet.

Sounds like it's good to be a Missile Operations Officer right about now.
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Probably one of the least desirable jobs in the AF, of course they're not letting them go, ppl with that AFSC would leave in droves. I know a couple cadets who got that AFSC who would take the deal in a heartbeat.

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I also want to know if this is something that will affect the FY16/FY17 group. I know they didn't cut the FY15 group nearly as much as they needed to, but they cut us (FY16) so much already, I'd thought the hardest part was over, now we might have to fight for active duty too? I'd be happy to work for the AF in just about any capacity save Reserves/Guard right out the gate. I hope that if they do implement this system they take everything into account like the Army OML, 2nd majors and minors, Foriegn languages, ECs, jobs, academic research, etc. It will be what it is, but I cant say I wont be more than just a little annoyed if, after all the extra work I've done to make myself useful to the AF, they don't even take any of it into consideration when deciding if I get to be an active duty officer or not. Oh well, I guess we'll get more info when school starts in the fall.
 
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Non Ducor Duco said:
Probably one of the least desirable jobs in the AF, of course they're not letting them go, ppl with that AFSC would leave in droves. I know a couple cadets who got that AFSC who would take the deal in a heartbeat.
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I guess if you have something else you can move on to then leaving would be nice, if not, having a job for 4 years might be the less of two evils.

You can save a lot of money living in Minot, there's not much to spend it on.
 
Jcleppe said:
I guess if you have something else you can move on to then leaving would be nice, if not, having a job for 4 years might be the less of two evils.

You can save a lot of money living in Minot, there's not much to spend it on.
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Lol, true. Missile Ops is only a 4 yr commitment anyways, the AF knows it's undesirable so you have the ability to move on to something else afterwards. There were some not so happy faces when they announced AFSCs last year though who expressed a desire to seek employment elsewhere. It's their own fault really, shouldn't have put it on their dream sheet if they weren't willing to take the job.
 
I wonder what will happen to the cadets who are not selected during the active duty boards and commission into the IRR. Will they eventually be placed in an guard or reserve unit as a traditional?
 
Non Ducor Duco said:
I hope that if they do implement this system they take everything into account like the Army OML, 2nd majors and minors, Foriegn languages, ECs, jobs, academic research, etc.
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Just to be clear, the Army does not take 2nd majors or minors into account, not sure academic research counts for much or any. All others you listed yes.

I'd be happy to work for the AF in just about any capacity save Reserves/Guard right out the gate.
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Missile Operations Officer may not look so bad faced with the alternative.

Your right, it will be interesting to see how the AF calculates their OML.
 
The problem I am having is if I stick out AFROTC until graduation, there is a possibility I could only be given a part time position with the Reserves or ANG. Am I mistaken here? I am a senior in college and I am trying to start a career. I have no time or patience for a part time position.
 
Nateman15 said:
The problem I am having is if I stick out AFROTC until graduation, there is a possibility I could only be given a part time position with the Reserves or ANG. Am I mistaken here? I am a senior in college and I am trying to start a career. I have no time or patience for a part time position.
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I hear that. And what about active/reserve preference vs job preference? When would they decide who is active or not? Before or after they tell us our AFSC? I feel like active/reserve is far more important. It'd suck to find out you got your #1 AFSC choice only to find out later that most ppl with that AFSC are going reserves, especially if say your 2nd or 3rd choice (which you would be just as happy with) is going to be all active. I'd take a different job over not going active any day.

What I'm wondering is what's going on in the Navy with all of this? The AF is hurting, Army is about to start really hurting, it's already hard as hell to get any extra training for AROTC plus the competition for active duty is getting stiffer, and Navy is still sending ROTC cadets on cruises so they can't be hurting that much. Extra training for ROTC cadets is one of the 1st things to suffer isn't it?
 
I am guessing that this will increase the average percentage of re-applicants to the USAFA.

Does anyone know the weighting of each of the below areas?

The merit system will be based on detachment commander rank, field training rank, Air Force Officer Qualification Test score, academic aptitude and cumulative GPA.
 
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I am looking to start a career and build my life. If they expect me to take a part time ANG position, they are out of their minds. The Air Force is either number one priority or not one at all. What were they thinking with implementing this on seniors in college? Maybe they are going to get exactly what they are hoping for.
 
Nateman15 said:
Maybe they are going to get exactly what they are hoping for.
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BINGO! I have a family member that is career AF officer and has 20+ years of service. They need to thin those ranks at this point in time so here is what they did..... offered you an unaccompanied tour in a war zone working with the Army in a non-specific MOS job (doesn't matter what your skills are or branch of service you are in; only matters that you are O5). The other option was for you to retire... entirely up to you.

I think that policy also got "exactly what they were hoping for."
 
Nateman15 said:
I am looking to start a career and build my life. If they expect me to take a part time ANG position, they are out of their minds. The Air Force is either number one priority or not one at all. What were they thinking with implementing this on seniors in college? Maybe they are going to get exactly what they are hoping for.
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Not all Reserve/ANG jobs are part time. There are many Active Guard Reserve and Air Reserve Technician jobs that are full-time. The mix of the AD and Reserve/Guard is getting more blended all the time. My oldest son is AD, but he flies for a Reserve F-16 unit.

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Nateman15 said:
The problem I am having is if I stick out AFROTC until graduation, there is a possibility I could only be given a part time position with the Reserves or ANG. Am I mistaken here? I am a senior in college and I am trying to start a career. I have no time or patience for a part time position.
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Welcome to what Army ROTC cadets have had to deal with for ever.

You are not mistaken, if you are not high enough on that OML you'll be headed to the Reserves. Unlike the Army, the AF is giving some cadets an out, they can apply to be separated now and not owe any obligation. I guess that would be your other option. If I understand it correctly, you would have to apply for separation prior to graduation.

As far as having the Time or Patience, AF cadets are now going to need to learn both, because many will not have a choice, you'll go where they tell you.
 
Non Ducor Duco said:
I hear that. And what about active/reserve preference vs job preference? When would they decide who is active or not? Before or after they tell us our AFSC? I feel like active/reserve is far more important. It'd suck to find out you got your #1 AFSC choice only to find out later that most ppl with that AFSC are going reserves, especially if say your 2nd or 3rd choice (which you would be just as happy with) is going to be all active. I'd take a different job over not going active any day.

What I'm wondering is what's going on in the Navy with all of this? The AF is hurting, Army is about to start really hurting, it's already hard as hell to get any extra training for AROTC plus the competition for active duty is getting stiffer, and Navy is still sending ROTC cadets on cruises so they can't be hurting that much. Extra training for ROTC cadets is one of the 1st things to suffer isn't it?
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If they follow the Army's process, which it sounds like they are using as a model, you will find out your AFSC and whether to received AD at the same time. I can see where they may need to separate rated and non rated before they make the decisions.

Summer training is still alive and well in the Army, they may have made some cuts but son's battalion have had the same number of slots for the past 5 years including this year. CULP is increasing every year and looking to do so again next year.

Like I said before, there may be much more interest in Missile Operations.
 
Non Ducor Duco, I honestly believe that FY16 have already taken their cuts. Just look at the difference in EA slots that FY16 received opposed to the classes before them. FY16 received 1590 EA's while FY15 received 2245, big difference. Also if I remember correctly, the AFA class of 2016 was the smallest in recent history. The article specifically talks about those commissioning July 10, 2014 through 2015. The FY15 class is the same class that was given the option to volunteer to get out of their contract without having to pay back their scholarship or stipends late last year. I believe they were looking for 300 volunteers to leave from FY15 and some from FY14 too.
 
Non Ducor Duco said:
I hear that. And what about active/reserve preference vs job preference? When would they decide who is active or not? Before or after they tell us our AFSC? I feel like active/reserve is far more important. It'd suck to find out you got your #1 AFSC choice only to find out later that most ppl with that AFSC are going reserves, especially if say your 2nd or 3rd choice (which you would be just as happy with) is going to be all active. I'd take a different job over not going active any day.

What I'm wondering is what's going on in the Navy with all of this? The AF is hurting, Army is about to start really hurting, it's already hard as hell to get any extra training for AROTC plus the competition for active duty is getting stiffer, and Navy is still sending ROTC cadets on cruises so they can't be hurting that much. Extra training for ROTC cadets is one of the 1st things to suffer isn't it?
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I agree with you about Navy. There seems to be increase funding for all aspects of the Navy. I wonder could any one shed light on how this is possible.
 
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