AF ROTC Enrollment Allocation Results

[vamom]

Yes it is blind. There are no points awarded for being on scholarship....HOWEVER, let's be honest the CoC rec is 50%, thus it is not totally blind.

Thank you Pima. I'm glad I remembered correctly as I personally agree that it should not be a factor (not that AF asked me!).

Pima, when you say "the CoC rec is 50%, do you mean that half of the CoC is on scholarship? I was under the impression that that number was 29% but I can't remember where I heard that.

 

[Pima]

No, what I mean is the EA breakdown. CGPA, SAT/ACT/AFOQT, PFT all are assigned a certain %. The CoC's rec is part of the score along with what I just mentioned and that percentage is 50% of the entire score. I can't remember the % for the others, but they equal the other 50%.

 

[vamom]

No, what I mean is the EA breakdown. CGPA, SAT/ACT/AFOQT, PFT all are assigned a certain %. The CoC's rec is part of the score along with what I just mentioned and that percentage is 50% of the entire score. I can't remember the % for the others, but they equal the other 50%.

Thanks again! But if I'm understanding you correctly, if there is a scholarship cadet who has not done well (attitude/grades/PT etc.), isn't there a good likelihood that a non-scholarship cadet would be ranked ABOVE that scholarship cadet by the det? I would hope that the det would not automatically give the scholarship cadets a higher ranking just b/c of the scholarship.

And in case anyone thinks I'm being "sour grapes" , DS is scholarship and was selected for EA. I'm trying to help someone else understand the process but I wanted to make sure that I understood it first!

 

[Commando_Jus]

My Det is 16/17 and the other is on the waiting list. Really feel bad for him but I think he's just going to drop and stay for another year as a 500.

Our commander didn't tell us any numbers or percentages. She just said numbers were good overall. Getting everything for our first bag drag on Thursday has been rough but at least I got an EA and i'm on my way.

Congrats to everyone else.

BTW has anyone else got their ABU's yet?

 

[cralor]

We have a bag drag next week when we have our "FTP LLAB". The entire detachment essentially squeezes a taste of FT in over a handful of hours.

I have had my ABUs since the end of Fall semester freshman (AS100) year. (Our det hands them out after successfully completing one semester in the program.)

vamom, that situation doesn't come up too often because the cadet needs the attitude/grades/PT to earn the scholarship for the most part. However, what you state should be true: if a cadet outperforms another by those standards, they should hold a better commander's ranking, even if the other cadet has a scholarship.

 

[DrexelDragon]

We have a bag drag next week when we have our "FTP LLAB". The entire detachment essentially squeezes a taste of FT in over a handful of hours.

I have had my ABUs since the end of Fall semester freshman (AS100) year. (Our det hands them out after successfully completing one semester in the program.)

vamom, that situation doesn't come up too often because the cadet needs the attitude/grades/PT to earn the scholarship for the most part. However, what you state should be true: if a cadet outperforms another by those standards, they should hold a better commander's ranking, even if the other cadet has a scholarship.

We have our "FTP LLAB" on Saturday at 4 AM, for 5 hours . Should be fun! lol

 

[Winner]

Just heard from a Cadre member who is working FT that there are 2400 FTP cadets. 2200 got FT slots, but only 1700 will be able to become POC.

 

[DrexelDragon]

Just heard from a Cadre member who is working FT that there are 2400 FTP cadets. 2200 got FT slots, but only 1700 will be able to become POC.

That makes no sense, why would they give slots if they won't become POC?

 

[Commando_Jus]

Just heard from a Cadre member who is working FT that there are 2400 FTP cadets. 2200 got FT slots, but only 1700 will be able to become POC.

Yea this doesn't make too much since. Where is everyone getting this 1700 number from. We haven't heard anything about that.

 

[S72004]

Does not make sense whatsoever, why would the Air Force invest money on a cadet with no hopes for them to be POC?

Especially sending them to Field Training, feeding them, etc.

 

[GemStateMom]

Are they expecting almost 25 percent to wash out?

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[cralor]

That is wrong. Field Training isn't designed for filtering numbers. That is exactly what EAs are for...

(Unless you don't follow some basic standards [see FTM], there is no reason you will get "denied")

 

[Winner]

Don't get mad at the messenger!

The cadre said that they may enact a more strict demerit system, which could lead to failing field training. But he has no idea how they'll cut those 500 people.

 

[GemStateMom]

Don't get mad at the messenger!

The cadre said that they may enact a more strict demerit system, which could lead to failing field training. But he has no idea how they'll cut those 500 people.

If that is correct, all I can say is Wow. DS is on the wait list. He may be better off trying again next year vs. hoping to go this year and having a 25 percent chance of getting cut, because I understand that is the end of line, game over....

 

[Nateman15]

Don't get mad at the messenger!

The cadre said that they may enact a more strict demerit system, which could lead to failing field training. But he has no idea how they'll cut those 500 people.

This sounds like something we would be thoroughly briefed over, and we haven't. Not saying you're wrong or anything, but this genuinely makes zero sense.

 

[Pima]

People do fail SFT.

http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?t=28897

I would think that they have told all of you that you can bust SFT.

I agree from a fiscal sense it doesn't make sense. However, maybe they have decided to send everyone, hoping that they can rectify this fiscal issue by the end of the summer/early fall without cutting. If not they have an option on the table for when they return to school in the fall.

They will rank out the cadets at SFT and this will account for your OML when it comes down to your AFSC. They could than draw a line at a point level, and there you go, another cut round.

There is no guarantee on anything until you raise your hand and take that oath at commissioning. Gojira can tell you that! For those who don't know who Gojira is, her DS (NROTC) 18 months ago, 6 weeks before commissioning for being 8lbs over weight. He had to pay back 143K (scholarship).

It happens, even for 8 lbs 6 weeks before commissioning. It makes no sense to us peons, but it has to make some sense to them....or not

As for why some cadres are saying this, it maybe the dets choice. It maybe one det feels that everything is still influx and until it is positive, they are going to keep their mouths shut; while the other det feels that because this may occur, it is best to let the cadets know the possibilities so they understand there are risks still.

Basically, half full or half empty glass.

I know one very large det was told before the board results came out, that the cadre expected this SFT was going to be different regardless of the results, but did not say anything more than that. To my knowledge they still have never disclosed what they meant by there will be changes. It could be exactly what Winner was saying his det told them.

JMPHO, but you are all going to have to go with the flow for now. Just keep studying and working out. Whether they make only 1700 or all 2200 POCs the same thing is going to matter...your SFT score! It is part of your AFSC OML.

The dust will settle soon enough. Until that time Hope for the Best, Expect the Worst.

 

[Winner]

This sounds like something we would be thoroughly briefed over, and we haven't. Not saying you're wrong or anything, but this genuinely makes zero sense.

The FTP at my detachment were briefed this when learning about EA's.

 

[Pima]

I would have thought that Winner. I would have thought that they would tell all of you cadets fail SFT and here what can happen. I.E. the link I posted.

They don't have a 100% graduation, pretty close to it, but still someone will fail the exams and bust. It is typically a rarity.

That being said. I still go back and say if 2200 go, 733 will be in the bottom 1/3rd. You don't want to be there.

Even if all 2200 become a POC, come next yr this time as a 300 for rated, or a yr from now in the fall as a 400, that SFT score if I recall correctly is 10-15% of your OML is your SFT ranking. Your CoC will still have a voice, but the question is do you think they will go to bat for you in the det. when at SFT you ranked the bottom 1/3rd? SFT = National, not just in your det. If 2 or 3 other cadets are in your Max and they rank DG, top 1%, top 1/3rd, and you rank bottom 1/3rd it tells them a lot.

JMPO, but I highly doubt they would rank you high. I would bet they will place you in the bottom 1/2 at best. Now, you are hit twice...SFT ranking and CoC rec. If you have a low AFOQT, it becomes even worse regarding your AFSC OML.


I know I am Debbie Downer. I sound like a record player. I don't mean to be. Truly, I am rooting for all of you, and I think being a poster here gives you an edge. Yes, this might all be scuttlebutt and all 2200 will become a POC. However, it might not be. In your det they aren't addressing it, here they are. You at least have the knowledge of how important this summer can mean for POC. If you buckle down harder because of that fear you will win one more thing...higher SFT ranking than those who think it is 4 weeks of ROTC in Alabama.

STUDY, STUDY, STUDY. RUN, TRAIN, RUN in heat of the day. If you haven't taken the AFOQT or did poorly, when you come back from SFT, study, study, study the AFOQT.

I get this board has emotionally drained you more than when you were applying for an AFROTC HSSP in HS. However, as much as this has drained you, just wait until you go for the AFSC board. It never leaves your mind when you want that competitive slot...pilot for rated, Intel for non-rated. For our DS, it was delayed 10 days. Not as bad as you guys, but 10 days when you are going for your career field, and meeting a rated board is a killer because if not selected that dream ends and you have to meet another board 7 months later waiting to see if your number 2 option is going to happen.

Just trying to put perspective into the equation and what life will be like once you have that SFT ranking.

 

[DrexelDragon]

Ok so here's the deal. There are 2200 cadets attending Field Training this summer. However, by the time we graduate in 2015, headquarters only wants 1700 to commission.

How they enforce this is anyone's guess. My cadre gave an example of them being more strict if a cadet does something stupid/fails reg.'s or something similar. Instead of being lenient, they would just go ahead and kick you out right away.

 

[Pima]

Ok so here's the deal. There are 2200 cadets attending Field Training this summer. However, by the time we graduate in 2015, headquarters only wants 1700 to commission.

IOTW, SFT is your last proving ground!