AFROTC HSSR Application Process/ Timeline/Chances

Nepthea

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My DS has recently decided he would like to join AFROTC at NC State and will apply for the HSSR. He is midway through his junior year, and this is where he stands currently:

Major: Mechanical Engineering, Weighted GPA 3.70 (in the IB Programme) ACT 31, no physical test results yet, however he ran a mile in 9 mins yesterday, and will continue to work on it. He is also working on his Eagle Scout (currently either a life or star), he's also worked at a local hardware store for 1.5 years, and now at a restaurant for 6 mos. He does about 50 hrs a year of community service, is in the Beta club, and serves in the children's ministry at church.

We are hoping for a tier 1 scholarship, but would truly appreciate any offer! I've read only the top 5% get tier 1, and that 80% of those go to tech majors. He is working with a tutor to bring up his ACT and will take it again next month. He is shooting for 33-35. What else should he be doing to position himself in the best possible position to earn a scholarship? Does he already stand a good chance based on where he is with a tech major? Does he have enough extracurricular?

Finally, when should he begin the application process? Is it right now, or next December?
 
The application opens in July. The key takeaway at this point is that the application only considers activities and scores from 9th to 11th grade.
Also, participation in extracurriculars really doesn't count for much. They are looking for extracurricular and volunteer activities where your son held a leadership role. In the interview he will be asked about each activity and will have to describe how he was a leader. Craft this last semester to best meet that requirement.

In regards to fitness, a 9-minute mile is very slow for a young male-- that is equivalent to around a 13:30-14:00 1.5 mile score, which is failing per the USAF fitness standards for males <30 years old. Although the application fitness test does not assign scores, it is the exact same test as the official USAF fitness test, so use this chart to measure his competitiveness. Generally, he should be in the mid-to-high 90s to stand out. The trick is to remember that the pushups and situps are timed. When he is practicing these, he needs to be doing as many as possible in 60 seconds. YouTube has guidance on how to do a proper AF pushup and situp (it is not what most people do, fyi). He should max both of these out with ease. To match that, he should be running a mile-and-a-half in 9:30-10 minutes after doing his pushups and sit-ups.

In NC, it looks like you also have UNC-Charlotte and NC A&T offering ME degrees. The scholarship award is not tied to a particular school, so it is in his benefit to apply to multiple. Also look at USC and VA Tech (both fairly close) if he is shooting for a T1, as T1 pays all tuition (regardless of in/out of state). Texas is another option as Texas gives in-state tuition to ROTC cadets.

So, to answer your last question, have him prep now, be poised to complete the application by-say- August of this year, and he will get a bite at all five boards. With that ACT and GPA he might get a T1, but he would really have to overperform on the extracurriculars and kill the fitness test and interview. Type-I is very competitive. Think 33+ on the ACT and an unweighted 3.9+ GPA (before AP/IB)
 
Here is the problem in my eyes. That RUN time. He needs to get it down, as in close to at least a 7 min mile. He needs to do the PFA in order and the way it is administered, including form. IOWS, he can't do push ups in the a.m., and later that day do the sit ups, and say well I maxxed the number. Just like thinking a 9 min mile will equate to 13 1/2 mins for 1 1/2 mile. Reality is that last 1/2 mile can kick your butt, so your time will probably be closer to 14 mins+. That is a FAIL. He needs to run in the rain, in the cold, in the heat.
Why?
Because in AFROTC he will be required to do the PFA the 1st week of every semester in college to keep that scholarship. The PFA will be part of his score not only for the scholarship, but to be selected for summer field training, to get his career choice.
~ Fail the PFA and they will not activate the scholarship. It also places you on their radar right away.

AFROTC is types, not tiers. Navy and Army are tiers. Type 1 is 5% of all scholarships awarded. The board is national. HQ AFROTC could not care if every type 1 comes from Idaho and 0 come from any other state, and as stated it is tied to the cadet, not the school. Again, unlike Navy or Army ROTC.

Here is my advice.
1. Take the SAT/ACT as often as you can. AFROTC does not superscore, it is best sitting.
~ Did he take the PSAT? If so, was he a National Merit Semi-Finalist? If yes, make sure he places that as an award. See above regarding the board is national.
2. You mention no sports or leadership.
~ Unlike Navy and Army ROTC HSSP, AFROTC does not take into account anything they do as a senior in HS, except new SAT/ACT scores. However, if he runs for SR class treasurer in the spring of his junior year, he can place on his resume that as a jr. he was elected to serve in that position in the fall. I know for my kids, NHS/BETA, senior class president student council was elected in the spring, so they could hit the ground running in the fall. Same with our DS's FB team. The captain was selected during the summer before they even played their 1st game.
3. Grades/class ranking/curriculum
~ They will look at his school profile. That profile will include his class ranking, 7 or 10 pt scale, how many AP/IB courses offered, % of students in the program. Weight scale. % that go Ivy vs Public vs Private vs 2 yr vs workforce. IOWS it is great he has a 3.7, but if his class rank is 25% and 0% go IVY, than they have to ask, do they hand out an A like candy on Halloween. Flip it, if he is top 5% with a 3.7 and 25% go Ivy, than they know this school is hard arse grading. There are tens of thousands of HS in this nation. AFROTC has to use their own algorithm to equalize gpas. There are kids that will see their gpa rise or fall when it comes to HQ AFROTC because if they are on a 7 or 10 pt scale, same with weighted gpa.
4. Get those medical records in order.
~ I cannot stress this hard enough. TOO many posters get wrapped up in the SAT/ACT, GPA, PFA, EC aspect and lose sight that there is another prong. DoDMERB. There will be no physical exam until awarded a scholarship, unless, the awardee is also applying for an SA and moves from applicant to candidate.
~~ I don't have enough fingers and toes in my family of 5 regarding how many posters here got a remedial or DQ regarding something they never thought was an issue. At 13 as a volleyball player they got winded, their doc wanted to err on the side of safety and prescribed an inhaler in case it could be asthma. Never used it, but as a parent you continued to refill it. Now at the exam, he must admit that yes, he has a prescription drug since he was 13. Whether or not he used it doesn't matter. He must admit that he has an inhaler. This may now start a whole new process for the candidate. Same with food allergies. Only allergic to macadamia nuts, no biggie, right? Wrong. My kid has no vision issues, no glasses/contacts, they are good. Wrong. They also look for color vision deficiency. I swear to you on my beloved dog, that at least 1 person every year gets on here and says I failed the color vision test, now what.
~~~ DoDMERB quals and disquals according to the commissioning source. AFROTC may say yes and USAFA may say no. NROTC may say no, and USAFA/USMA say yes. Waivers come down from the source, not DoDMERB

Scholarship recipients are not the majority in ROTC. They are the minority.

Spend the spring and tell the GC that you intend to apply. You will need an official transcript sent by the school. WORK OUT. Visit your top college choices and do the dog/pony show regarding campus tours, but prior to going, contact that det. and ask if you can visit with them.
~ Parents...introduce yourselves and leave. Agree to meet at somewhere on campus at X time. This allows your child to walk the campus like a freshmen in college and get a feel instead of the dog/pony show. This allows them to show to the det., I stand on my 2 feet. It also allows them to put a face to your name early on. Maybe next fall that is where you will be assigned to interview, now the PMS or CoC may say, weren't you here last April when the school did a college tour? You said you were going engineering.

Hope this helps.

PS. The 1st board this year was in Oct. not Dec. I lived in NC (ADAF spouse) and luckily for you they typically return early or mid Aug., compared to NJ or VA where they return to school just prior or just after Labor day in Sept.
 
If finances are an issue, and he intends to be in ROTC I would look at the sticky above the ROTC forums. Many colleges offer unique scholarships for ROTC cadets.

IE at TAMU if you get 1K in scholarships, they will charge you In State. You can get that because you will be in the Corps. TAMU is a Senior Military College (SMC). You can be in the Corps and not in ROTC, but you can't be in ROTC and not in the Corps.

Hence, you don't need a type 1 or 2. Type 7 works. TAMU honestly could not care you are from NC, bc in their eyes you got 1K from them, you are now going to be charged In State, and HQ AFROTC type 7 is good to go....no need to convert to a 3 yr type 2.
~VT is also an SMC. They don't care if you are a cadet on scholarship. Out of State (OOS) OH well, you still pay OOS. You now need to convert the type 7 to a 3 yr type 2.
 
I would look at the sticky above the ROTC forums.
@Pima means the "Room and Board" thread. Lots of good information in there.

There are other options out there too. Both TX and NC are states where National Guardsmen receive 100% in-state tuition assistance. Your son could very easily enlist into an ANG unit, and then after Basic and Tech School, go to school without having to worry about a scholarship. He could still attend ROTC, attend field training, and would only have to leave the Air Guard if he wanted to commission into Active Duty. Some folks prefer that-- there is a lot more flexibility in schools, degrees, etc, and they pick up valuable prior-enlisted time along the way. Not a bad deal.

There is not only one way to a commission, thankfully. I'm glad to hear your son is interested in joining!
 
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