Air Force jobs that help you "see the world"

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My DS is very interested in serving our country, but also in seeing the world. He loves Math, so wants to major in that, and has been looking at actuarial science to be more specific. He also has an interest in linguistics and learning Japanese, with a strong interest in Asian culture. Obviously, that's a really broad base that will narrow as he gets more into college classes, experience, etc.

My question is, are there specific jobs in the Air Force that would help or even hinder the idea of him being stationed overseas? I know there are some jobs that are non-deployable and probably some that are almost based stateside. As he is exploring jobs that he might want to try for, I was just wondering if there are those that would help him see the world more than others.

Thanks in advance.
 
From what you hear, there isnt one job that will guarantee you getting station overseas. Logically, the pilots and those who serve on planes would have the greatest access to being overseas but not necesarily stationed overseas. My guess its highly competitive as many people would like to be stationed in Europe or Japan
 
Not in the Air Force so don't really know much about the jobs, but just wanted to provide some ideas for different opportunities.

I once met a lieutenant commander (O-5) and a navy grad who received an Olmstead Scholarship way back when. If I remember correctly, its a scholarship that allows people to pursue language studies and receive graduate level education overseas. If you get the scholarship, I'm sure it will set you up to work abroad and at different embassies.

The Army has a thing called Foreign Area Officers. Similarly to the Olmstead Scholarship, officers will be taught different languages. I think officers will also have opportunities to study abroad and work at embassies. If the Air Force has something like this, I recommend your DS look into it as well.
 
Not in the Air Force so don't really know much about the jobs, but just wanted to provide some ideas for different opportunities.

I once met a lieutenant commander (O-5) and a navy grad who received an Olmstead Scholarship way back when. If I remember correctly, its a scholarship that allows people to pursue language studies and receive graduate level education overseas. If you get the scholarship, I'm sure it will set you up to work abroad and at different embassies.

The Army has a thing called Foreign Area Officers. Similarly to the Olmstead Scholarship, officers will be taught different languages. I think officers will also have opportunities to study abroad and work at embassies. If the Air Force has something like this, I recommend your DS look into it as well.
My son was selected for Olmsted and finished his Masters abroad a year and a half ago. He is back in the fleet now and if he does any embassy/foreign military postings, it will be far in the future. I had several USNA classmates who were Olmsted scholars One retired as a Four Star and another as a three star. The four star was overseas in command as a four star, the three star had no foreign billets after his Olmsted time (but he was supe of a Service Academy). The others had normal careers with regular Navy rotations here and there. Air Force may handle it differently.
 
My DS is very interested in serving our country, but also in seeing the world. He loves Math, so wants to major in that, and has been looking at actuarial science to be more specific. He also has an interest in linguistics and learning Japanese, with a strong interest in Asian culture. Obviously, that's a really broad base that will narrow as he gets more into college classes, experience, etc.

My question is, are there specific jobs in the Air Force that would help or even hinder the idea of him being stationed overseas? I know there are some jobs that are non-deployable and probably some that are almost based stateside. As he is exploring jobs that he might want to try for, I was just wondering if there are those that would help him see the world more than others.

Thanks in advance.
I could have written this about 10 years ago:

My DS is very interested in seeing the world and views the Military as a vehicle to do so. He loves Chemistry, so wants to major in Chemistry, but has been looking at Chemical Engineering to be more specific. He also has an interest in learning any language, with a strong interest in any foreign culture. Obviously, that's a really broad base that will narrow as he gets more into college classes, experience, etc.

Today he is an Army O-3 in the middle of intensive language training before moving overseas for what will be a 2-3 year change of Duty Station. He is almost exactly where he dreamt of being, in terms of Unit and location (OCONUS), 10 years ago.

I won't bore you with the details of how he got where he is today. You can find them in my content. When he began his college/ROTC life he had as much overseas and language experience as a blond haired, blue eyed Midwestern kid could possibly have. He then took every opportunity during college to enhance those credentials. When he branched (Signal) and bid on his first duty station he was lucky enough to get the branch he wanted and an OCONUS duty station where the action was.

Here's the bottomline, however. When he showed up to his first ROTC lab no one cared about his "credentials". They cared about him showing up on time, always being in the top 25% in PT, and showing leadership or followership at the proper times. The Big Army cared mostly about his GPA and what the instructors thought of him.

When he showed up at his first duty station, no one cared about his "credentials". His superiors cared about the comms working correctly and not getting b*****d at by the units they supported. His enlisted folks cared about getting the support they needed to do their jobs. His job was made easier by the focus of his college coursework, which was heavy in math and CS, both of which were by-products of his Chemistry degree..

All the while, he questioned if he even had what it takes to get to that dream. It took a huge amount of humility, which he had never shown, and willingness to listen and learn. A good metaphor would be that his dream was a spot 1000 yards in the distance, but his focus was always to cover the 10 yards in front of him. The language factor did not start to pay off until several years in. If your son focuses on his academic core, stays fit, and keeps his interest in languages alive, his path will unfold for him, provided he focuses on the job right in front of him.

From a practical standpoint, if he wants to fly fixed wing aircraft then the AF would be the place to be. If he likes the ocean and the world's biggest, baddest machines it would be the Navy. However, if those don't matter to him, then the Army may be a better route. It is simply larger, with more overseas installations and posts drawing on a wide variety of skillsets.

Americans generally don't appreciate the importance of developing a proficiency on foreign languages. I don't think it can be overemphasized and I really don't care what language it is. So, I wouldn't discourage Japanese, but one look at the world section of the Wall Street Journal will tell you that if his interest in Asia, then Chinese would be a more attractive qualification in his portfolio of credentials.

I would recommend a book, Imperial Grunts. It's a little dated, having been published right before Afghanistan and the second Gulf War, but give it gives a really good view of what the US military is doing is a number of far flung places. I gave it to my son about the time he started high school.

Tell us a little more about your son--age, interests, sports--and you'll get more perspectives from folks much more qualified than me.

Wish him the best of luck!
 
I could have written this about 10 years ago:

My DS is very interested in seeing the world and views the Military as a vehicle to do so. He loves Chemistry, so wants to major in Chemistry, but has been looking at Chemical Engineering to be more specific. He also has an interest in learning any language, with a strong interest in any foreign culture. Obviously, that's a really broad base that will narrow as he gets more into college classes, experience, etc.

Today he is an Army O-3 in the middle of intensive language training before moving overseas for what will be a 2-3 year change of Duty Station. He is almost exactly where he dreamt of being, in terms of Unit and location (OCONUS), 10 years ago.

I won't bore you with the details of how he got where he is today. You can find them in my content. When he began his college/ROTC life he had as much overseas and language experience as a blond haired, blue eyed Midwestern kid could possibly have. He then took every opportunity during college to enhance those credentials. When he branched (Signal) and bid on his first duty station he was lucky enough to get the branch he wanted and an OCONUS duty station where the action was.

Here's the bottomline, however. When he showed up to his first ROTC lab no one cared about his "credentials". They cared about him showing up on time, always being in the top 25% in PT, and showing leadership or followership at the proper times. The Big Army cared mostly about his GPA and what the instructors thought of him.

When he showed up at his first duty station, no one cared about his "credentials". His superiors cared about the comms working correctly and not getting b*****d at by the units they supported. His enlisted folks cared about getting the support they needed to do their jobs. His job was made easier by the focus of his college coursework, which was heavy in math and CS, both of which were by-products of his Chemistry degree..

All the while, he questioned if he even had what it takes to get to that dream. It took a huge amount of humility, which he had never shown, and willingness to listen and learn. A good metaphor would be that his dream was a spot 1000 yards in the distance, but his focus was always to cover the 10 yards in front of him. The language factor did not start to pay off until several years in. If your son focuses on his academic core, stays fit, and keeps his interest in languages alive, his path will unfold for him, provided he focuses on the job right in front of him.

From a practical standpoint, if he wants to fly fixed wing aircraft then the AF would be the place to be. If he likes the ocean and the world's biggest, baddest machines it would be the Navy. However, if those don't matter to him, then the Army may be a better route. It is simply larger, with more overseas installations and posts drawing on a wide variety of skillsets.

Americans generally don't appreciate the importance of developing a proficiency on foreign languages. I don't think it can be overemphasized and I really don't care what language it is. So, I wouldn't discourage Japanese, but one look at the world section of the Wall Street Journal will tell you that if his interest in Asia, then Chinese would be a more attractive qualification in his portfolio of credentials.

I would recommend a book, Imperial Grunts. It's a little dated, having been published right before Afghanistan and the second Gulf War, but give it gives a really good view of what the US military is doing is a number of far flung places. I gave it to my son about the time he started high school.

Tell us a little more about your son--age, interests, sports--and you'll get more perspectives from folks much more qualified than me.

Wish him the best of luck!
Thank you so much! He was really leaning Army until he talked to some Air Force Retired Officers who put their two cents in about everything going on at Fort Hood, etc, etc. I personally think he should keep his options a little broader and keep researching. He is a Junior in an Early College 5 year program, so he doesn't graduate until 2023, but will have his associates degree. He knows it will take at least 3 years to finish his degree and move through an ROTC program but he is eager to learn, have the college experience, and work hard. We are non-military so exploring officer jobs and routes has been the toughest challenge but we've learned a lot from this forum and continue to learn more every day. I know that whatever path he chooses he will find the things he loves because he is that kind of kid. Very laid back, enjoys friendships and building friendships with everyone (especially goes out of the way to befriend those who need friends), loves the outdoors, recently completed his Eagle Scout Award. He plays percussion in the marching band that should lead to some leadership positions next year and picked up a part-time job during the pandemic to have something to do and learn some responsibility. We are trying our best to steer him in the right direction to learn more about officer jobs, but also wonder if that's something he will be exposed to a lot more when he gets to college at his ROTC branch, just hoping he has enough knowledge to pick the right one.
 
Knowing/understanding the jobs within each branch is important, but I'd also say try to find out about the quality of life and the culture within each branch of service. Try to talk to young officers, O-1--->O-3, and find out the pros/cons of each branch. Look into the location of each duty station. Your son sounds like the kind of person who will enjoy life wherever he goes, but I think the quality of life/culture are some big aspects that are not talked about.
 
he talked to some Air Force Retired Officers who put their two cents in about everything going on at Fort Hood, etc, etc.
That's a cheap shot.:(
Knowing/understanding the jobs within each branch is important, but I'd also say try to find out about the quality of life and the culture within each branch of service. Try to talk to young officers, O-1--->O-3, and find out the pros/cons of each branch. Look into the location of each duty station. Your son sounds like the kind of person who will enjoy life wherever he goes, but I think the quality of life/culture are some big aspects that are not talked about.
Couldn't agree more. As far as Army goes, it's all the more reason to concentrate on one's OML for the best chance for your branch of choice. And don't choose a branch without considering where one would attend BOLC and what are the possible first duty stations.
 
I second OldRetSWO -- think first about the mission and what kind of service selection you want. You don't always get to pick where they send you to your job. Come to think of it, you don't always get your first choice of job, but the Naval Academy gives you a lot of options (i.e. The Navy has its own Army and its own Air Force; in fact, the Navy's Army has its own Air Force). Bottom line, you can do just about anything out of Navy that you can do out of all the other Service Academies.

While seeing the World seems exciting; keep in mind, as a Junior Officer you see a whole lot less of the world than you would think.
 
Many of the "support jobs" like security forces, finance, civil engineering, etc are present at almost every base. Operational jobs vary quite a bit. Getting stationed overseas as a missileer would be challenging! I fly the UH-1N, and only one overseas base has them. Then again, there are people not stationed overseas that travel quite a bit. Transport pilots in C-17s and C-5s travel quite extensively.
 
I was looking at the some of the majors on AcademyAdmissions. Are the jobs in Operations Research, Computer science, Data science could be good to getting into overseas jobs?
 
Couple of more questions.

1. How does one choses a job/branch once graduated? I read that USMA and USNA have selection nights, rankings, but how does that works at USAFA.?

2. Is there any place I can see the distribution of branches/jobs by class ( c/o2019,20)?

3. I just recd an LOA from USAFA ( thrilled about it), but I dont have a NOM from any of my NOM sources. I am not sure how will this play out if no NOM. Are there lot of candidates who get LOA but no NOM and hence TWE?
 
While at USAFA, you will get briefs on various officer specialties. You will meet officers from those specialties and be able to talk to them about it. You will watch cadets senior to you go through the process. Your summer training activities are designed to show these to you in actual settings. You will make this decision long before you graduate, and have a good idea what your priorities and interests are.

Someone will help you find #2. The annual distribution is out there.

You should have applied for the VP nom. At this point, assuming you are fully qualified with an LOA, you have to hope for one of the noms controlled and managed by USAFA. You might want to re-read the Sticky at the top of the Nominations forum.
 
assuming you are fully qualified with an LOA
Yes, fully qualified with LOA. Only condition is NOM.

You should have applied for the VP nom
Yes, applied for VP nom.
While at USAFA, you will get briefs on various officer specialties. You will meet officers from those specialties and be able to talk to them about it. You will watch cadets senior to you go through the process. Your summer training activities are designed to show these to you in actual settings. You will make this decision long before you graduate, and have a good idea what your priorities and interests are.

Someone will help you find #2. The annual distribution is out there.

You should have applied for the VP nom. At this point, assuming you are fully qualified with an LOA, you have to hope for one of the noms controlled and managed by USAFA. You might want to re-read the Sticky at the top of the Nominations forum.
Yes, just did that. Thank you for the guidance.
 
Yes, fully qualified with LOA. Only condition is NOM.


Yes, applied for VP nom.

Yes, just did that. Thank you for the guidance.
Since I am a squid, I know the USNA Google search terms to find the annual service assignment stats for each class. I don’t know the right terms for AF equivalent process.

Look for something like this:
 
How does one choses a job/branch once graduated? I read that USMA and USNA have selection nights, rankings, but how does that works at USAFA.?
During senior year at USAFA you will fill out a “Dream Sheet” ranking your desired jobs (AFSCs) in the Air Force. The first selection will be which job you get based on available slots and your rankings. This is celebrated at squadron ceremonies. You will then fill our a second dream sheet for bases that have available openings for your awarded AFSC. There will then be another night when everyone finds out their base. NOTE: Pilot AFSC candidates only find out which base they are going to for training. They won’t find out their first assignment base until after pilot training.

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