Anti-Affirmative Group Sues Naval Academy

... fully understand the 40mm Bofors incoming flaks. Read the numbers in my initial post. I focused on preps. My follow on post included my home state. My assumption is that if the crazy group wins, the best educated kids receive an appointment.
 
The SAs are exempt:

"This summer, the Supreme Court overturned the legality of race-based affirmative action at higher education institutions everywhere, with one exception: military service academies."
 
severn said:
... fully understand the 40mm Bofors incoming flaks. Read the numbers in my initial post. I focused on preps. My follow on post included my home state. My assumption is that if the crazy group wins, the best educated kids receive an appointment.
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Best educated?

Do you think the public school kids in your state have better WCS/WPS than the prep schools?

Or are you suggesting admissions should give appointments to less qualified applicants in your state?
 
A1Janitor said:
Baltimore is not graduating students that can read or write.

It seems to me the crux of this is the desperate need for improvements in large city schools.
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Baltimore area prep schools include 5-6 different counties, including some of the richest in the country with some of the best public school systems, , and the prep schools in that area have been a pipe line into SAs for decades

Other than that I have no idea what this thread is about
 
Alchemist said:
The SAs are exempt:

"This summer, the Supreme Court overturned the legality of race-based affirmative action at higher education institutions everywhere, with one exception: military service academies."
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They are exempt from the ruling because they weren’t a party. The Court acknowledges there could be a different answer for them. We can only find out when the new lawsuit goes forward.
 
severn said:
... fully understand the 40mm Bofors incoming flaks. Read the numbers in my initial post. I focused on preps. My follow on post included my home state. My assumption is that if the crazy group wins, the best educated kids receive an appointment.
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The best educated kids come from prep schools? Wow, such a different experience for my kids. Both always public school kids. Younger one who's applying now attends a very large public school. Took each test only once. First time was the SAT at the end of sophomore year. Scored high enough to be asked to become a certified SAT tutor on a free platform that partners with Khan Academy. Took the ACT for the free school day test given to juniors. Scored a perfect score. I never paid a dime for prep; there's plenty of free resources out there. So interesting the different experiences.
 
severn said:
... read the numbers in my initial post. I'm trying to be tactful in this forum. If the crazy group wins, that W group numbers will increase tremendously... leaving hundreds of kids behind.
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Thank you @severn.

A1Janitor said:
This group won this case for top universities, so they are far from whackos.
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Just because they won doesn't mean they aren't "whackos." They do seem to understand the law. Whether they understand how that relates to SAs remains to be seen.

@severn, I think I now understand the concern you are expressing and arguing. I don't have the same concern that the numbers will change substantially when this case ends. I suppose I operate under the possibly misguided (but probably not) premise that all successful candidates have fully earned their place in an incoming class. And, I expect that when the litigation is over the Courts will find the Service Academies have conducted themselves in accordance with the Constitution.
 
A1Janitor said:
First, this crazy group is bringing a legitimate question to the courts on whether the admissions is SAs is constitutional. This group won this case for top universities, so they are far from whackos.

Are they right? Not sure - haven’t seen the discovery.

Do you have the racial breakdown of the number of minorities from prep and public schools in your example?

Why does admissions think the candidates in private schools are better in your state?

If this groups win - and these numbers stay consistent in 2030 and beyond, will you admit your conclusion was wrong?
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... definitely yes, I'll admit I'm wrong... just like my previous post about Navy football... hoping they win against chair force.
 
A group of people that successfully sue universities over constitutional questions aren’t whackos. The ones who think an unconstitutional system should be used are the whackos. Especially the ones who do so for political beliefs.

I don’t know if this group will win the case against SAs or not. I suspect they won’t win. But I haven’t seen the evidence.

It certainly isn’t a bad thing to have judicial review.
 
Alchemist said:
The SAs are exempt:

"This summer, the Supreme Court overturned the legality of race-based affirmative action at higher education institutions everywhere, with one exception: military service academies."
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... yes, the knuckle head Group was reading the same footnote.
 
severn said:
... definitely yes, I'll admit I'm wrong... just like my previous post about Navy football... hoping they win against chair force.
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Lol how many prep school midshipmen start on the football team?
 
A1Janitor said:
ReBest educated?

Do you think the public school kids in your state have better WCS/WPS than the prep schools?

Or are you suggesting admissions should give appointments to less qualified applicants in your state?
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... I'm saying on the average, appointments from my state annually is 5 preps / 1 public.
 
NavyHoops said:
Probably some, but not majority. Now the lacrosse team… probably the majority to the large majority.
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I wonder about basketball.

I know some of the top d1 recruits from Syracuse schools transfer to prep schools for their last year or two. Buddy Boeheim and Adrian Autry’s kid did.

Which was nice - we didn’t get killed by more when playing them.
 
... appreciate the 40mm Bofors flaks incoming rounds. Thank you for your kind words. Now, I'm going to eat my granola cereal with coconut milk and strawberries, coffee ☕ then going surfing. Hope waves are pumping 🙏.
 
Small Team Bacsi said:
And yet just in Baltimore area you see kids being admitted into SA s recently who attended, McDonough, Calvert Hall, Loyola, Boys Latin, NDP, and a host of other prep schools. Amd many of these prep schools tout the fact that it’s not one but several SA admits.

A higher % of SA admits from the typical Baltimore area prep school than most area public schools i would bet and I doubt it’s even close.,
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Baltimore area public schools are some of the worst in the entire country. 100% of private school attendees are going to college. What’s the percentage of Baltimore area public schools going to college? What’s the percentage who even graduate. Would love to see actual data on this, including the percentage of kids from the schools you mention who attend SA’s who are athletes. Those schools pump out lax players like it’s their job, and it kind of is.
 
A couple of thoughts:
-Is there a distinction between an institution with the primary goal of delivering an academic degree upon graduation (what the opinion in June was focusing on) and an institution with the primary goal of commissioning officers in the military, but with a secondary goal/requirement to obtain a degree. University/college vs. military academy…NOT the United States [Naval/Military/Air Force/Coast Guard] University.
-Supreme Court mentioned “strict scrutiny” and that can be overcame by a legitimate government interest. Congress and the President (as Commander in Chief ) are responsible for the armed forces and if there is certification that the makeup of the military is a readiness issue…does that carry significant weight and deference.
-There are multiple paths to commissioning, not just military academies (can favor both sides of the argument). This kind of goes back to the first point, it isn’t really about the academic degree, it’s about serving the military as an officer.

Definitely will be interesting to see how the courts rule and if the two lower courts come to the same or similar conclusions.
 
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