Any Scholarship Recipients Rethinking This Year?

DS's PT structure is all online - work out's sent down the chain with results passed up from squad leaders. PFT will be similar. Small pods of MOs forming to work out together. Free weights and pull-up bars have been liberated from the community via the give-a-way apps and weeklies.

The are also many options for plyo/body weight/minimal equip/running training - mountain tactical, stu smith, runkeeper are free/very low cost and well recommended.
 
kinnem said:
@TennisNerd02 I think the reaction here was to your earlier comment that midshipmen and cadets who do NOT attend their ROTC program at college are not smart enough to be an officer. You seemed to indicate its the only option at that time. You seemed to neglect that additional circumstances might impact their decision. You've since indicated that what not your intent. Good. Sorry if it was miscommunication or misunderstood.

Now, CEASE AND DESIST people.
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I’m really confused how you thought i was implying they weren’t smart for not attending their program. Most can’t even if they want to. I really didn’t say that
 
TennisNerd02 said:
That’s not what I was saying, I’m saying if they are fearful of covid at a young age, then that’s not very smart.
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There are circumstances where it is smart.

We have known two in-college “kids” of long-time friends since they were baby bumps. One is AFROTC, following in dad’s footsteps. Their mother has lupus, and is in her early forties. They are both extremely worried about somehow bringing it home to her and along with doing virtual college, have curtailed other activities. As I think about our USNA sponsor mid family and what we know of their home and family situations, over half of them have some factor with a family member that would cause concern.

Context is a key factor in these risk evaluations.
 
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TennisNerd02 said:
That’s not what I was saying, I’m saying if they are fearful of covid at a young age, then that’s not very smart.
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I'll be sure and tell that to my Great Nephew who is just now arriving at NY Stony Brook on a Cross Country scholarship. I'll also mention it to his brother, a nationally ranked CC rising HS Junior. I, on the other hand, think they and their parents are pretty smart.
 
And honestly, there is no one size fits all solution. No easy answer. This thing is so very complex, in so many ways. I always picture it like An octopus. With its tentacles in so many different parts.

The one thing that IS for certain is that we all need compassion, patience and understanding.
 
shock-n-awe said:
I would like to hear what more scholarship awardees have chosen/been offered to do for this semester.
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Texas A&M Corps of Cadets is full-go. Masks and social distancing outdoors, and social distancing in chow hall. No initial quarantining or testing. At initial report last week they took a "temperature check." I've been a little skeptical about how this will work out, but so far, so good. Importantly, I was impressed by the commandant's briefing to parents on report day. He set reasonable expectations by saying they expect to have cases, and they are prepared to deal with it as it happens. I think that's a very reasonable and realistic approach.
 
cb7893 said:
I'll be sure and tell that to my Great Nephew who is just now arriving at NY Stony Brook on a Cross Country scholarship. I'll also mention it to his brother, a nationally ranked CC rising HS Junior. I, on the other hand, think they and their parents are pretty smart.
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Well good for them for not being scared. Young kids graduating shouldn’t be living life full of anxiety And fear, especially for something that isn’t a major threat. I’m sure military will through much bigger obstacles than this.
 
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Capt MJ said:
There are circumstances where it is smart.

We have known two in-college “kids” of long-time friends since they were baby bumps. One is AFROTC, following in dad’s footsteps. Their mother has lupus, and is in her early forties. They are both extremely worried about somehow bringing it home to her and along with doing virtual college, have curtailed other activities. As I think about our USNA sponsor mid family and what we know of their home and family situations, over half of them have some factor with a family member that would cause concern.

Context is a key factor in these risk evaluations.
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I apologize I’ve hit a nerve with so many of you. I know we live in a sensitive day & should’ve known I’d receive this reaction in this time in the world.
 
TennisNerd02 said:
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I apologize I’ve hit a nerve with so many of you. I know we live in a sensitive day & should’ve known I’d receive this reaction in this time in the world.
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"I'm sorry you people got angry after I insulted you." Fixed it for you.

Look, I know the mod said to chill but since you don't want to stop I'm going to say one last thing. College-aged people like myself are not stupid for being worried about a pandemic which is 3x as deadly as the flu and more contagious than the flu. Even if my age group is less likely to die (and less likely does not mean not possible), it is still very reasonable to want to protect others in our communities by quarantining, wearing masks, etc. If I came into contact with Corona virus and brought it to my parents who are getting on the older side, it is very likely they would need to be hospitalized at the very least.

Consider the fact that COVID has caused more deaths than a typical flu season in less time than a typical flu season even AFTER most states had quarantines and implemented mandatory mask wearing. If we had done nothing to respond to COVID the situation would likely be much more grim.

Besides, deaths aren't everything. There is a lot of evidence to suggest that those who survive COVID-19 have potentially permanent damage to their cardiovascular and pulmonary systems. Right now, there are around 5.45 million confirmed cases in the US alone.

You don't get to just come on a forum, insult people like myself and say we aren't "smart enough" to be officers because we are concerned for the public's health, and then say people are just sensitive.

I'm sorry that you aren't willing to accept that sometimes sacrifices must be made to our conveniences to save lives. I, for one, would have been happy to stay home for this full school year if it meant saving just one person's life. As the saying goes, "He who saves the life of one saves the entire world."

Normally I would let things like this go, but I genuinely believe that disinformation like what this guy is spreading is dangerous, and has caused the needless deaths of many in the US and around the world.
 
js9907 said:
Besides, deaths aren't everything. There is a lot of evidence to suggest that those who survive COVID-19 have potentially permanent damage to their cardiovascular and pulmonary systems. Right now, there are around 5.45 million confirmed cases in the US alone.
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This is one (of many) of the reasons I, as well as my midshipman/cadet friends are being careful. No one wants to throw away a career as a pilot/SEAL/Ranger/any other selective job due to health complications from a virus they could have avoided.

By the time any of us service select and commission, we will have spent literal years working to get the outcome we want. Late nights studying, early morning PT, losing out on sleep, etc. Sorry, it just doesn't seem worth it to take a chance of throwing all that hard work away, no matter how small.

Now I'll shut up and sit down, everything I'm thinking has already been said.
 
TennisNerd02 said:
Well good for them for not being scared. Young kids graduating shouldn’t be living life full of anxiety And fear, especially for something that isn’t a major threat. I’m sure military will through much bigger obstacles than this.
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I think miscommunicated. They are excessively cautious to the point of being anxious. Their lungs are their engine.

When they avoid people without masks it's not because they're scared. It's because they want to compete at the highest level and don't want that cut short by a casual observer of a select set of statistics.
 
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js9907 said:
"I'm sorry you people got angry after I insulted you." Fixed it for you.

Look, I know the mod said to chill but since you don't want to stop I'm going to say one last thing. College-aged people like myself are not stupid for being worried about a pandemic which is 3x as deadly as the flu and more contagious than the flu. Even if my age group is less likely to die (and less likely does not mean not possible), it is still very reasonable to want to protect others in our communities by quarantining, wearing masks, etc. If I came into contact with Corona virus and brought it to my parents who are getting on the older side, it is very likely they would need to be hospitalized at the very least.

Consider the fact that COVID has caused more deaths than a typical flu season in less time than a typical flu season even AFTER most states had quarantines and implemented mandatory mask wearing. If we had done nothing to respond to COVID the situation would likely be much more grim.

Besides, deaths aren't everything. There is a lot of evidence to suggest that those who survive COVID-19 have potentially permanent damage to their cardiovascular and pulmonary systems. Right now, there are around 5.45 million confirmed cases in the US alone.
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Thank you for not making a boomer defend the responsible members of your generation.

You are low on your comparison of Covid morbidity vs. seasonal flu:

Estimated Flu-Related Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2018–2019 Flu Season | CDC

CDC calculates estimates of disease burden in the United States using surveillance data and modeling to adjust for sources of under-detection. Burden estimates for the 2018-2019 season found here.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
 
Another consideration...my DS unit told them a positive test result may impact commissioning because of the unknown long term effects. That said, I know there is another thread that says a positive test result will not impact you but hospitalization would be a DQ....so here's the problem, if the Navy at some point decides positive result is a DQ, your DS or DD career is at the mercy of others being responsible. My DS has been on campus since 8/2...week 1 was good all Rotc...week 2...not so good...his GF roommate went to party on Thursday, he helped GF move into her dorm on Sunday not knowing about reckless actions of roommate, by Wednesday party goer tested positive, GF and DS in quarantine. There are roommates of Mids who tested positive exposing the Mids who in all likelihood will get it. Based on what I've seen, campuses are petri dishes. I'm expecting it to close down, but it might be too late as it's only a matter of time before my DS tests positive and he hasn't even gone out. As a parent, I'm distraught and I went into the return to campus very positive.
 
goirish1 said:
Another consideration...my DS unit told them a positive test result may impact commissioning because of the unknown long term effects. That said, I know there is another thread that says a positive test result will not impact you but hospitalization would be a DQ....so here's the problem, if the Navy at some point decides positive result is a DQ, your DS or DD career is at the mercy of others being responsible. My DS has been on campus since 8/2...week 1 was good all Rotc...week 2...not so good...his GF roommate went to party on Thursday, he helped GF move into her dorm on Sunday not knowing about reckless actions of roommate, by Wednesday party goer tested positive, GF and DS in quarantine. There are roommates of Mids who tested positive exposing the Mids who in all likelihood will get it. Based on what I've seen, campuses are petri dishes. I'm expecting it to close down, but it might be too late as it's only a matter of time before my DS tests positive and he hasn't even gone out. As a parent, I'm distraught and I went into the return to campus very positive.
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Stay positive, but mostly proactive.

This was my DS's experience. Now this was a petri dish:

www.military.com

Army Halts SERE Course after 90 Students Test Positive for Coronavirus

Out of the 110 students in the course, 82 students, along with eight instructors, tested positive for COVID-19.
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And boom, The flag ship of N.C. goes 100% online with three days into semester.

who could have figured?

If only there was a branch of science dedicated to the study of communicable diseases in a population
 
Dropped my freshman DS off in Texas last Monday. They had an online orientation day with AROTC. 4 year winners took AFPT test, 3 year ADs did not. So far they are planning on in person ROTC class, with small group PT. Dorms are open as are all the other facilities on campus.
 
Osprey said:
Dropped my freshman DS off in Texas last Monday. They had an online orientation day with AROTC. 4 year winners took AFPT test, 3 year ADs did not. So far they are planning on in person ROTC class, with small group PT. Dorms are open as are all the other facilities on campus.
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Good luck to your DS. From what I've seen it seems like the cadre and MS4's at a lot of detachments have been extremely good at complying with safety measures without compromising a good military education. I hope the same is true for your son's detachment.
 
  • T-5 Days until classes start
  • Mandatory masks, everyone takes a SARS-CoV-2 test before they're allowed into campus, daily symptom checker app to get into buildings on campus
  • ROTC closed all hangout areas for the detachment, including study rooms specifically for cadets
  • Specifically planned out semester to have no more than 25% of our small-sized det at any one in-person training event at a time
  • Masked PT, DIY PT that you're still accountable for
  • No PT test at all for the whole semester
  • No guarantee at all that we will do a full semester in person
Honestly, I don't even know how freshmen will get any sort of worthwhile experience out of this. You could show them a YouTube video of Basic and they'd probably get more value out of that than they'll get out of this semester, and our University's actually trying to be in-person. I can't even fathom how the ZoomU cadets will survive the mental torture of zoom """""training"""""
 
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