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Discussion in 'Naval Academy - USNA' started by MichaelW22, Jan 5, 2018.

  1. MichaelW22

    MichaelW22 Member

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    Has anyone gotten a TWE yet? Heard of anyone getting one? Just wondering when they start giving them out.
     
  2. Old Navy BGO

    Old Navy BGO 5-Year Member

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    Unlikely anyone will get one until after the Application Deadline is passed. At that point, the first wave will go out to those that didn't complete the Application process. Remainder usually don't go out until late March/early April. I think the goal is to have class filled and notice sent by April 15.
     
  3. usna1985

    usna1985 10-Year Member

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    Roughly the first week of February those who didn't complete their packages get TWEs. This is typically followed a few weeks later by those with completed packages who didn't get nominations (some w/o noms may go later into the process as options for appointment through VP, Supe or a NAPS/Foundation offer). The rest tend to go out in waves (a bunch hit the same day) throughout March until 15 April.

    Of course, all is done via email/CIS portal now . . .

    TWEs typically don't happen prior to early February (following the 31 Jan. deadline). Candidates whose records are complete but not competitive have the opportunity to improve things until Jan. 31 with new scores or grades or achievements so USNA wants to give everyone that chance before sending a turndown.

    The one thing that is certain . . . if your USNA package is not complete (other than medical) by Jan. 31, your chances are essentially zero.
     
  4. usslloyd

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    usna 1985, this is great information, thanks. Love to know more about the process you described of those without nominations that get TWE in February, and those deemed "worthy" of being considered further for appointment through VP, Supe, etc. Guess that's by whole candidate score (if you know)?
     
  5. Navy911

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    Just to double check, is it ok that medical has not been processed?Exams are complete they just haven’t made it over from Concorde to DoDMERB yet.
     
  6. THParent

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    DoDMERB can take a while, especially if there are any remedials requested. If there is a contact at Concorde - do that now.
    Contact them and get a date that they sent the information, then contact DoDMERB and make sure that they have it.
    After that, you should check your EMail every day along with the DoDMERB website, to see if there is anything else they need.
    If a remedial is requested, you need to drop what you're doing and take care of it, post haste.
     
  7. usnabgo08

    usnabgo08 USNA 2008/BGO 10-Year Member

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    Navy911, DoDMERB is not subject to the January 31 deadline; it is fine if you are still waiting disposition. Good advice by THParent.

    usslloyd, the Director of Nominations and Appointments has stated that fewer than 5 Superintendent nominations are used on any given admissions cycle. Furthermore, just like the MOCs, the Vice President is limited to 5 charged midshipmen at USNA at any given time and is allowed to nominate 10 candidates for each vacancy. The reality is that receiving an appointment is EXTREMELY slim for those candidates who have no other nomination. At most, you are looking at about 15 total appointments (assuming the Supe uses ~5 and all 10 candidates are selected [VP slate winner + 9 national pool]); could also only be a handful who receive appointments. The SECNAV nominations will go to Navy and Marine Corps Fleet candidates and those at NAPS.

    Outside of enlisted/NAPSters, if a candidate has absolutely NO nominations before January 31st and still hasn't received a status in mid-to-late March/April...it could mean they are being considered for an appointment or NAPS/Foundation. Statistically, the odds for an appointment are not in one's favor if they have no other nomination and might be "banking" on a VP/Supe nomination.

    I know USNA1985 will likely chime in, as well.
     
  8. Old Navy BGO

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    ^ This ...let's face it, if you are not in the top 10 candidates applying for a nomination from your MOC and don't get a nomination (most MOC use the competitive nomination), you may not be competitive for Admission anyway. I recognize that there are some areas with hundreds of applicants applying for the nomination, and most of them are fully qualified to attend USNA (ie. 3Q), but there is a difference between being 3Q and being competitive for Admission. Admission to USNA is highly competitive, the rules of admission are different than they are for other top level school, and every year I see some great kids get passed over even though they are 3Q. (I would suspect that's why BGO's are instructed not to inform their candidates that they are 3Q, it really creates a false expectation or hope).

    This forum has been full of questions about getting in off the National Pool, Supe Nominations, or other means of entry if you don't win your MOC slate lately, but the truth is that most get in through the normal MOC nomination process, and that comes from competing and winning within your particular Congressional District and/or State. .

    This must be an inquisitive class, as I've been monitoring this forum for a couple years now, and don't recall this many questions about the Noms and Appointment process. I've actually learned a bit from you all. However, while I understand the natural desire to understand the process, always keep in mind that its beyond your control. Once the application is in, its a waiting game --and until you get a TWE (or email), you are still in the game.
     
  9. usna1985

    usna1985 10-Year Member

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    Hoops gave you good gouge as always. The fact is that, historically, there are "general rules," but -- as with most general rules -- there always seem to be exceptions. The general rule today is that, if you don't get a nom from a "usual" source for which you qualify (MOC, Pres, NROTC, etc.), you are going to receive a turndown. This is even true for LOA candidates these days; no nom = no appointment.

    A very, very tiny number might get a Supe's nom (<5 per year) or the (usually) one VP nom available each year. The odds are really, really long, but it does happen. I've had it happen to two candidates in nearly 20 years -- the most recent being a decade ago. So, do not pin your hopes/plans on it happening to you.

    A somewhat larger number of those without noms end up with NAPS/Foundation offers. There are many threads on what makes such an offer more/less likely so I won't belabor that topic here. As an aside, quite a few who are offered NAPS/Foundation may in fact have one or even multiple MOC noms. This happens b/c the criteria/standards for a nom are not always the same as those for an appointment. IOW, an MOC may consider a candidate well qualified for USNA but USNA believes more academic prep is necessary. This is most likely to occur in states/districts that have terrible school systems. But I digress . . .

    The question was receipt of TWEs. USNA wants to give everyone the opportunity to complete his/her package and/or improve his/her package before the Jan. 31 deadline. [Medical is not due by then but USNA may issue a TWE even without a completed medical; conversely, the candidate must be medically qualified before an appointment can be offered.] Thus, TWEs don't go out before early Feb. After that, they tend to come out in groups/waves based on the criteria I originally identified. However, my initial post was intended to show that there is no "one size fits all" in the process and that some records may get TWEs later in the process for various reasons (i.e., candidate being considered for VP/Supe's nom). However, neither the candidate nor the BGO will be told why candidate A with 3Q without nom gets a TWE in early February and candidate B who is 3Q w/o a nom gets the TWE in late March. There are lot of variables in play.
     
  10. usslloyd

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    I actually did not even think it was possible, and would have zero expectations of getting an appointment without a nomination, for all the reasons stated above. So it was pure curiousity to know the different numbers between that and getting a nomination but not winning your slate. Thank you all very much for your information and philosophy as we navigate the process.
     
  11. psessions

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    So how is " good news" normally delivered? Is it through the portal or is there a package sent in the mail?
     
  12. usna1985

    usna1985 10-Year Member

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    For some, good news first arrives in the form of a call from the candidate's MOC (if appointment is based on MOC nom). For others, it is the portal b/c the MOC doesn't choose to call or the nom came from another source. For NAPS/Foundation, it may be an email. It is now always electronic first. For appointees, the certificate is then sent by mail.
     
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