Applying to USMMA as a transfer student

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  1. cmsullivan18

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    I am currently a freshman in college and I am seeking the academy life. After almost a month in college I have realized that I want a more structured life. For the past two weeks of so I have been working on my application to USMMA.

    I applied to USNA '22 but did not receive an appointment. I like to think I was close because I received nominations from two senators and one congressman. Once I did not get in I immediately set my eyes on NROTC. I got into the college program but after two weeks of doing I had to leave the unit because of the freshman class requirement at my school.

    Since then I have been seriously looking into USMMA. The opportunities there are amazing, it is everything I want in a college education. I am even talking to the coach about playing soccer there.

    I guess my question is how will admissions look at a transfer student like me, who meets the average gpa and sat scores of accepted students, and has service academy/nomination/NROTC background.
    I know at the naval academy they look in favor upon applicants from college who applied and were rejected from service academies in the past.
     
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    KPEngineer Eternal Father ... 5-Year Member

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    It certainly wont hurt you and having a college academic track record is better than high school only.
     
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    It helps if your college courses mirror that of what you will take at USMMA and you do well in those courses. Continue to stay in shape and keep out of trouble... ;)
     
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    Those with prior college classes did well. Others exempted some classes to lighten their load, but others repeated thr basic to keep a high grade point average.
     
  5. CrewDad

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    You should definitely apply to both USMMA and USNA again with better college grades. You’re right you get college bonus only if your grades are in the As and Bs. No Cs. There is no transfer to USNA and I would think it is the same for USMMA. You start from the ground floor again. And it is all worth it because you will be so much better ready than a high school grad with a year of maturity college time management and more determination to finish things. Be prepared to work with 50% dedicated to academics and 50% in things the Academy can throw at you. That’s the life and culture at the Academy. If you want that you’ll do fine at USMMA or USNA. But be prepared that’s what you want. Many don’t find that out until their first 3 weeks into Academic Year at an SA. Some thrive and some don’t. Some top academic types actually don’t fare so well because they are not used to juggling and multi tasking physical fitness, intramural, training, company Duty time, and academics. You are not given much time to study so time management is critical. Learn that skill before coming into SA environment then you’ll be very successful and be a happy Plebe.
     
  6. KPEngineer

    KPEngineer Eternal Father ... 5-Year Member

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    I recommend lightening the load. A high GPA in college does very little in the real world unless you are trying to get into grad school right away.

    But to each his/her own
     
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    My DS is reapplying to USMMA. He can’t mimic all of plebe year because his Marine Biology/License Option at A&M Galveston is a preset program. But he is thriving in the Corp setting and reconfirmed his desire and determination to serve.
     
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    While I was doing NROTC I switched into an engineering based calculus class to try and fulfill the requirement. I switched in towards the end of the third week and and missed a decent amount of assignments and two quizzes (can not retake) . I have one of three tests tomorrow (Monday) that count for 50% of the final grade. I know that USMMA has an engineering curriculum and doing well in the class will look good, but I am not sure how well I will do in this class. Will withdrawing from the class affect my chances of getting into USMMA? Should I stick with it and possibly do poorly to have the class on my transcript or withdraw from the class and work towards maintaining a good gpa?
     
  9. Jmoney457

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    Don't know about that, NASSCO is looking at full transcripts for interviews this year. I don't think they will be very enthusiastic about hiring people with a 2.0
     
  10. KPEngineer

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    OK and? ... that is one possible employer out of how many? I said "very little", not none whatsoever.

    I'm not advocating for low GPAs, just don't get overly wound up over it. Your GPA doesn't define your professional life. Even the anchorman can be very successful professionally.
     
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    I'm going to add a few things, based on my understanding of what you wrote.

    1) You state that after two weeks, you weren't able to handle NROTC because of the freshman class load at your school. I don't mean to be demeaning, but just to pull you back to reality, what was your class load there? Probably somewhere between 12 and 15 credits? If you can't swing that, strongly consider what it is you'll be changing that will allow to handle the much greater academic load at an Academy, whether that's Navy or MM.

    2) Two weeks as a Programmer doesn't constitute an "NROTC Background." I would strongly advise against pulling that card on your application, much less in an essay or interview.
     
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    I do not mean "background" in the sense that I have been in the unit for years, I was talking more about the application process and some exposure to NROTC. I am a pretty strong student, and the work load of my schedule is not the problem (I am taking 16 or 18 credits right now). At my school there are freshman "learning communities", 4 core classes that you take with the same 18 students all freshman year. These classes all happen at the same time, M W F 9:00-11:00. Because I was a cross towner I miss and/ or was significantly late to these classes. There are no other times these classes are held. My response from the advising department went something like "Learning communities are a key part of catholics curriculum and are required by all freshman".
     
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    What is the saying? What do you call someone who had the lowest grades in medical school. . . ?

    Doctor. . . .



    That said, the only time I have had some issues with employers and GPA would be right out of school. I do know that the major oil companies back then (do they even recruit at KP any more?) would only interview women and men with "higher" GPAs. Didn't matter to me since I registered with MEBA D1. . . .no one looks at GPAs when you throw your card in at job call. . . . . subsequent employment? Nope, never had a request for my class ranking or GPA during a job interview of application process. . . .
     
  14. Jmoney457

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    I don't think KP is med school, or even 30% of the work that medical students do. And I think that phrase is for people who weren't smart or hard working enough to get average or above average grades, which is very doable in both the deck and engine programs.

    I don't know, Exxon became SeaRiver, and SeaRiver is under Crowley now. Crowley doesn't have the 'right to hire' for anyone except master/chief or chief mate/1st AE. So they go straight to AMO.
     
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    SeaRiver is a subsidiary of ExxonMobil not Crowley. They charter vessels owned by Crowley ... this is not "under" Crowley.
     
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    "Crowley Alaska Tankers , LLC, announced today that it has completed the acquisition of three tankers from SeaRiver Maritime Inc., and is now chartering them back to SeaRiver under varying multi-year terms.

    The tankers Liberty Bay and Eagle Bay, now under Crowley ownership and operation, each have a capacity of 760,000 barrels and transport crude from Alaska to West Coast refineries. The tanker SR American Progress has a capacity of 342,000 barrels and transports refined petroleum between the U.S. Gulf and East Coast ports.

    Crowley has renamed the ships. Liberty Bay is now Washington. Eagle Bay is California, and SR American Progress is Oregon."

    So, SeaRiver does not own any ships. Crowley owns and operates them. The answer is still the same, ExxonMobil/SeaRiver does not recruit because it does not operate the ships. Crowley operates them and does not have the right to hire for anybody other than the top 4, so they do not recruit either.
     
  17. KPEngineer

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    You said "SeaRiver is under Crowley now". That implies that the company SeaRiver Maritime was acquired by Crowley.
     
  18. Jmoney457

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    How would Crowley acquiring SeaRiver be beneficial to either Crowley or ExxonMobil?
     
  19. KPEngineer

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    I'm not saying it does or it doesn't. That's a business decision for them to determine. Things that may or may not make business sense to you and I may make perfect sense to them.
     
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    As far as the business decision.... I suspect it’s the economies of scale in ship management, I don’t even know how many Jones Act Tankers Crowley has under management between their ships and APT. It’s a lot, and it’s a lot cheaper for Crowley to operate them then Sea River. Exxon has their ships running for less, and Crowley can still be profitable doing that. Crowley also gets two pretty young Jones Act hulls in the process.