Army-Navy game: White Power hand symbol appears to be used during pregame broadcast

justdoit19 said:
Lots to learn from this:

-nothing is done in private anymore.
-as MIDS (cadets, etc) eyes are always on you when in public.
-intentions aren’t always conveyed properly
-don’t call attention to yourself (IMO) on national TV.

We don’t get re-do’s in life! Look how easily something can blow up.
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Here's what I do while waiting for an appointment, lab, pharmacy, and coffee at Walter Reed.

I people watch and make and read great posts on SA forums dot com.

Here's a sample of who I've seen in the hospital throughout the years:

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and his entourage. The general had three cats and dogs with him, one of whom was carrying a big satchel which looked very similar to the president's nuclear football. The other two and the general were on their phones. Nobody else seemed to notice or care that they were there.

John Glenn. Yes, THEE John Glenn. Twice. Years ago when the hospital was still National Naval Medical Center, my daughter and I were in the Ortho waiting area for her appointment. The clinic was next to the half circle driveway next to the parking garage. Senator (ret.) Glenn got out of a car and an HM2 greeted him and they walked right in front of us. I told my daughter, "That's John Glenn." She went back to reading Harry Potter. A few weeks later she and I are in the same spot and I know it's hard to believe, but the same thing happened. I was shocked and awe struck and speechless and later wish I had thought to say something like, God Speed John Glenn.

Naval Academy Midshipmen. They are there every time I am. I watch people watching people sometimes and I notice that lots of people watch the midshipmen. I do too. From afar I check them for uniform discrepancies and wonder where they might be from and if they are the kids of any of the members of this forum. They always present themselves as a bunch of sharp, good looking, fit, and bright individuals.

Next time I'm up there I'll look for a Midshipman to flash me the sign and I'll give it right back and say, yep you're OK too. Hopefully though, we don't show up on TV.
 
“-as MIDS (cadets, etc) eyes are always on you when in public.”

At PPW Plebe DD and DS were waiting in Dunkin Donuts for their order. A mom was having a little trouble controlling 3 rambunctious boys. Upon seeing DD the Mom loudly whispered to her boys “A Midshipman is here, you need to behave!” And the boys straightened right up and listened to their Mom.

Made an impression on DD and DS too.....
 
CalvinBall said:
“-as MIDS (cadets, etc) eyes are always on you when in public.”

At PPW Plebe DD and DS were waiting in Dunkin Donuts for their order. A mom was having a little trouble controlling 3 rambunctious boys. Upon seeing DD the Mom loudly whispered to her boys “A Midshipman is here, you need to behave!” And the boys straightened right up and listened to their Mom.

Made an impression on DD and DS too.....
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That’s adorable.
 
Capt MJ said:
Part of life as a JO to do routine prelim inquiries and JAGMAN investigations.

As an O-5 and O-6, I did several for other commands, when an officer from outside the command was wanted for certain heavyweight cases. As an O-5 “stashed” in between PCS jobs for 4 months, I was assigned to SECNAV IG (Inspector General) to do the preliminary investigation on several cases in Navy recruiting commands, outside my career field. Yes, the cases involved sex (CO and XO were involved, so a senior outsider was needed), fraudulent use of govt vehicles, bias in administrative conduct hearings, other higher-level allegations. That little stash tour was eye-opening but excellent training.
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This is why I laugh to myself when people ask what is DS going to do after he graduates. I think it's more a question of what isn't he going to do!
 
Bigrod said:
Society has gotten ridiculous about making something out of nothing. My daughters HS was told they couldn’t do it anymore. Some of them were doing it in team pictures (not official ones) just like for their instagram or something.
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For about 5000 years a particular symbol was equated to peace and good luck. The symbol was then adopted by a small group of extremists.. That group gained power, and unfortunately, that symbol is now forever associated with that group's evil cause. Someone who tries to use it now in the original context now could be in a heap of trouble.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/history-of-the-swastika

Symbolism does evolve and it can be co-opted.. Is this ridiculous? Perhaps, but it is a reality.

Just my two cents.
 
AROTC-dad said:
For about 5000 years a particular symbol was equated to peace and good luck. The symbol was then adopted by a small group of extremists.. That group gained power, and unfortunately, that symbol is now forever associated with that group's evil cause. Someone who tries to use it now in the original context now could be in a heap of trouble.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/history-of-the-swastika

Symbolism does evolve and it can be co-opted.. Is this ridiculous? Perhaps, but it is a reality.

Just my two cents.
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I can't believe I'm weighing in on this, but...

the Sanskrit Svastika is set on a different axis than the Swastika (pronounced the same auf Deutch). Rotate the Swastika 45 degrees and you get the Svastika. How would I know this? Twenty-five years ago, we looked at a house in our sleepy Midwestern capital city which had a Svastika, set in masonry, on the chimney. Our reaction was as one would expect. Maybe 10 years later or so, new owners filled it in with cement.

@AROTC-dad, thanks for the view from 40,000 ft.

@kinnem, you better step up your game if you want to remain my favorite Moderator.
 
FutureAdademyDad? said:
Well, everyone loves Golden Retrievers...


...almost as much as bacon
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My dog’s father is a standard poodle. He loves female golden retrievers!

One observation I have made in Annapolis every time I have been there ... goldendoodles are the most common dog walking around Annapolis.
 
FutureAdademyDad? said:
Well, everyone love Yellow Labs...


...almost as much as bacon
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Note the scarf
Image result for labrador with bacon
 
Just like the smell of freshly-cooked bacon drifts through a house, so go bacon references in sub-forums and threads. Like kudzu.
 
oatsguy said:
Some of the best advice I was ever given was to always give the person the benefit of the doubt. Since communication misunderstandings are usually the source of conflict if you assume positive intent it helps with resolution most of the time. Society would be in such better shape if everyone took this approach. It's 99.99% likely those cadets were jacking around playing the circle game or some other riff-raff and early reports are that is exactly the case. There are more important issues today to put our energy towards.
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That almost sounds like "let's just sweep it under the rug" or "Boys will be boys"
 
WP just posted this on Facebook:

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WEST POINT, N.Y. – The U.S. Military Academy announced today it has concluded an internal investigation of the cadets who displayed hand gestures during a broadcast of ESPN College GameDay at the Army-Navy game Dec. 14.
The investigating officer concluded that the cadets were playing a common game, popular among teenagers today, known as the “circle game” and the intent was not associated with ideologies or movements that are contrary to the Army values.
“We investigated this matter thoroughly,” said Lt. Gen. Darryl A. Williams, 60th superintendent, U.S. Military Academy. “Last Saturday we had reason to believe these actions were an innocent game and not linked to extremism, but we must take allegations such as these very seriously. We are disappointed by the immature behavior of the cadets.”
The investigator found that the game was being played in the stands before the ESPN host moved into the crowd. Based on the results of the investigation, those cadets involved will receive appropriate administrative and/or disciplinary actions.
“We develop leaders of character who serve to defend our nation and the American people, and we expect our cadets to lead and live honorably and demonstrate excellence. Leading and living honorably means to act in a professional manner at all times,” Williams said.
The Chief of Staff of the Army, Gen. James C. McConville stated, “The United States Military Academy ordered this investigation after reports suggesting racist gestures may have been displayed by cadets at the Army-Navy game. Racist statements, gestures and symbols have no place in our Army. The investigation determined there was no racist intent by cadets. The American people trust our Soldiers to do the right things the right way. We must be mindful of behavior which brings that trust into question and ensure our actions meet the high ethical and professional standards our nation expects the American Soldier to uphold.”
 
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