Army ROTC 2023-2024 2nd Board

jbender said:
With our login, it does not recognize my password. I'm sure that it is within the time frame for resetting (45 days or so?). Should I do this process, or wait?
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Just wait, nothing is even out yet and won’t be for another few days they said
 
ryamull said:
A message was just posted on the application site saying:
January Board results have not been released. Please know that our team is doing everything we can to get operations running smoothly again, it may take a few days before this happens. If you have any questions, please email us at usarmy.knox.usacc.mbx.train2lead@army.mil
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I really appreciate the updates they have been posting! It makes the waiting so much easier!
 
formerPMS said:
Highest dropout is after the first semester a student is enrolled in classes, regardless of scholarship type, prior service, NG/USAR. I did not see a weeding out at the 2-year mark like the service academies see.

The best Cadets I had were those who enrolled without a scholarship and earned a campus-based 3-year scholarship. Often this population did not apply as a HS student. Conservative estimate, 80% of the Distinguished Military Graduates I had over three years did not come to campus with a scholarship. They earned one on campus.

Somewhere around 18-20% of HS scholarships are 4-year, so there would not be a statistically significant difference in the quality of student. That would primarily affect enrollment at high-cost/high-demand schools (Ivy League, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, big name private schools). Tuition would be much more of a deciding factor there than at a state school. Also, figure that the scholarship covers either tuition OR $10,000...it's not covering all the costs of school no matter what flavor the scholarship comes in. Many different ways the delta is covered (SMP, part-time employment, student loans), but there's always additional costs despite a 3/4-year ROTC scholarship. One of my universities gave me 16 room grants and we had a process for awarding those...I also had additional campus-based endowments, scholarships, and funds at the university-level that I could award to help off-set costs. There is a process that is different at every school, but there are additional opportunities out there at the program-level.

To keep a 3-year scholarship, the student has to pass ACFT, Maintain a 2.0 GPA (each semester and cumulative), a 2.0 in Military Science courses, and complete 27 semester hours.
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if you apply for a 4 year and are granted a 3 year, how is it handled when you are going in as a freshman to a 4-year program? Do you pay for year 1, and if you meet all the requirements , they kick in for the remaining 3 years?
 
formerPMS said:
Highest dropout is after the first semester a student is enrolled in classes, regardless of scholarship type, prior service, NG/USAR. I did not see a weeding out at the 2-year mark like the service academies see.

The best Cadets I had were those who enrolled without a scholarship and earned a campus-based 3-year scholarship. Often this population did not apply as a HS student. Conservative estimate, 80% of the Distinguished Military Graduates I had over three years did not come to campus with a scholarship. They earned one on campus.

Somewhere around 18-20% of HS scholarships are 4-year, so there would not be a statistically significant difference in the quality of student. That would primarily affect enrollment at high-cost/high-demand schools (Ivy League, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, big name private schools). Tuition would be much more of a deciding factor there than at a state school. Also, figure that the scholarship covers either tuition OR $10,000...it's not covering all the costs of school no matter what flavor the scholarship comes in. Many different ways the delta is covered (SMP, part-time employment, student loans), but there's always additional costs despite a 3/4-year ROTC scholarship. One of my universities gave me 16 room grants and we had a process for awarding those...I also had additional campus-based endowments, scholarships, and funds at the university-level that I could award to help off-set costs. There is a process that is different at every school, but there are additional opportunities out there at the program-level.

To keep a 3-year scholarship, the student has to pass ACFT, Maintain a 2.0 GPA (each semester and cumulative), a 2.0 in Military Science courses, and complete 27 semester hours.
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May be comparing apple to orange. As far as attrition is concerned, what makes difference between SA first or second year versus ROTC first year?
 
Yes finally into site but they have a message stating it could be a few more days until results are released
 
formerPMS said:
Highest dropout is after the first semester a student is enrolled in classes, regardless of scholarship type, prior service, NG/USAR. I did not see a weeding out at the 2-year mark like the service academies see.

The best Cadets I had were those who enrolled without a scholarship and earned a campus-based 3-year scholarship. Often this population did not apply as a HS student. Conservative estimate, 80% of the Distinguished Military Graduates I had over three years did not come to campus with a scholarship. They earned one on campus.

Somewhere around 18-20% of HS scholarships are 4-year, so there would not be a statistically significant difference in the quality of student. That would primarily affect enrollment at high-cost/high-demand schools (Ivy League, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, big name private schools). Tuition would be much more of a deciding factor there than at a state school. Also, figure that the scholarship covers either tuition OR $10,000...it's not covering all the costs of school no matter what flavor the scholarship comes in. Many different ways the delta is covered (SMP, part-time employment, student loans), but there's always additional costs despite a 3/4-year ROTC scholarship. One of my universities gave me 16 room grants and we had a process for awarding those...I also had additional campus-based endowments, scholarships, and funds at the university-level that I could award to help off-set costs. There is a process that is different at every school, but there are additional opportunities out there at the program-level.

To keep a 3-year scholarship, the student has to pass ACFT, Maintain a 2.0 GPA (each semester and cumulative), a 2.0 in Military Science courses, and complete 27 semester hours.
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This is very good info. I would have hoped the standards to maintain the 3 yr or 4 yr would be outside those minimum levels. I would assume the focus of most schools' ROTC programs is to "operate" on the other side of the standards spectrum. Your comments on 3 yr winners are insightful. I was a USMA grad who only received my offer in May of my application year, so I assume I was offered a spot after someone declined. Still managed to graduate in the top 25% of my class. There is something to be said for desire and persistence that perhaps cannot be gleaned from an SAT score or GPA.
 
jketron said:
if you apply for a 4 year and are granted a 3 year, how is it handled when you are going in as a freshman to a 4-year program? Do you pay for year 1, and if you meet all the requirements , they kick in for the remaining 3 years?
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Yes. The student has to foot the bill somehow for the first year and then contract will kick in for the second year. My daughter, a 3yr, was awarded financial aid by the school which helped for the first year. We also had to front the money for the 1st semester of her 2nd year and then reimbursed by the school later in the semester when they finally received the Army money (about October/November).
 
formerPMS said:
Highest dropout is after the first semester a student is enrolled in classes, regardless of scholarship type, prior service, NG/USAR. I did not see a weeding out at the 2-year mark like the service academies see.

The best Cadets I had were those who enrolled without a scholarship and earned a campus-based 3-year scholarship. Often this population did not apply as a HS student. Conservative estimate, 80% of the Distinguished Military Graduates I had over three years did not come to campus with a scholarship. They earned one on campus.

Somewhere around 18-20% of HS scholarships are 4-year, so there would not be a statistically significant difference in the quality of student. That would primarily affect enrollment at high-cost/high-demand schools (Ivy League, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, big name private schools). Tuition would be much more of a deciding factor there than at a state school. Also, figure that the scholarship covers either tuition OR $10,000...it's not covering all the costs of school no matter what flavor the scholarship comes in. Many different ways the delta is covered (SMP, part-time employment, student loans), but there's always additional costs despite a 3/4-year ROTC scholarship. One of my universities gave me 16 room grants and we had a process for awarding those...I also had additional campus-based endowments, scholarships, and funds at the university-level that I could award to help off-set costs. There is a process that is different at every school, but there are additional opportunities out there at the program-level.

To keep a 3-year scholarship, the student has to pass ACFT, Maintain a 2.0 GPA (each semester and cumulative), a 2.0 in Military Science courses, and complete 27 semester hours.
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Interesting stats. Could you expound a bit on what type of school you were at?

I'm curious how the stats figure when we look at some of the bigger/Ivy schools versus the small schools.
 
sweetpea3829 said:
Interesting stats. Could you expound a bit on what type of school you were at?

I'm curious how the stats figure when we look at some of the bigger/Ivy schools versus the small schools.
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I had two D1 state universities (one is an R1, but neither is a land grant nor a flagship) and a very good D3 private under my program. The total student population combined is approximately 45k.
 
formerPMS said:
I had two D1 state universities (one is an R1, but neither is a land grant nor a flagship) and a very good D3 private under my program. The total student population combined is approximately 45k.
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You better watch out. If you keep giving this good info you will be elected moderator of this forum.
 
Just received an email saying there was an alert, this is what it said.
 

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Same, I also got an email 7 minutes ago saying my portal was updated; but nothing changed, still am B/UC. Looks like it was just to inform us of an announcement on the dashboard. Basically says the page is back up but some issues may be encountered over the next few days.
 
Has anyone who has been able to access the website seen any winner results? Or are status just marked as Boarded/Under Consideration? Unsure whether that's the final results since the website said the January results are not released yet.
 
Seems to be an administrative message stating that things are still being worked on and that the portal may still be in an up and down stage with intermittent outages.

Big red banner message still stating that results haven’t been released yet.

Nothing to see here, move along…😎
 
I got that too, still says it will be a few days until the results are released. At least there was some change.
 
margandd24 said:
Has anyone who has been able to access the website seen any winner results? Or are status just marked as Boarded/Under Consideration? Unsure whether that's the final results since the website said the January results are not released yet.
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It is just B/UC still for me. It shouldn’t be the final result if January results weren’t released yet - once it says January results have been released I’m sure that is most likely the final result.
 
margandd24 said:
Has anyone who has been able to access the website seen any winner results? Or are status just marked as Boarded/Under Consideration? Unsure whether that's the final results since the website said the January results are not released yet.
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It’s not the results it says right in my sons portal results not released and you are eligible for January board. Good thing is the website appears fixed.
 
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