Army ROTC 2nd Board Results!

bk120165 said:
I would appreciate if people who did and didn't receive an offer could insight on the stats they had just to give many individuals like myself a better perspective on what the third board may look like. I understand that the PMS interview is extremely important but I am just struggling with my decision on the offer I received and I do not have much time to decide. Thanks
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Don’t do it— it’ll drive you bonkers. Review my post about board insights. Posted it January 2020.
 
Thank you all, I know it isn’t wise to compare scores but I only have one month to decide if I wish to compete in March or take the ECP scholarship. It is a difficult decision and I am just trying to see where I may be. I appreciate the feedback!
 
Harpy said:
Hopefully a few of the three year winners from yesterday can answer what there stats were because I'm wondering the same thing
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I can only tell you what I had if that helps at all. I received a 4 year to my top three choices.
I took the most rigorous course load I could at my school (12 AP's and 6 dual credit classes, I was a 4 sport varsity athlete ( making it to states and medaling), a 30 ACT and I had leadership positions both in school and in my community. I do not have a perfect unweighted GPA (3.91) but I have a weighted GPA of 4.5 (though I know they go by unweighted). I had a bunch of community service and worked part time all through high school. I was also involved in a lot of school clubs. Pretty much exhausted all the time 😂
 
bk120165 said:
Thank you all, I know it isn’t wise to compare scores but I only have one month to decide if I wish to compete in March or take the ECP scholarship. It is a difficult decision and I am just trying to see where I may be. I appreciate the feedback!
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@bk120165 - you are limiting yourself if that is your perspective. Take a step back and get out a piece of paper. Write down all of the reasons why you are pursuing a scholarship and rank them in terms of importance to YOU. If all you are trying to do is pay for college and you don't care about active duty - take the ECP. Can you afford to go to college if you don't get a scholarship? Do your time in the guard/reserves and move on. Plenty of people do it.

Do you want to go active duty, are you thinking that you may want to make a career of it (we all did going in..) . Does the ECP limit you to what school you want to go to? You may feel like you are under a time crunch, but you really are not. Some self reflection here and the answer will present itself.

So - you decline the ECP and don't get a scholarship on the 3rd Board. As has been discussed, the majority of scholarship dollars are campus based allotments. Go to school, show up in shape, work your ass off and get a 3.5 or 3 year. It happens all the time. There are many, many paths to commission..

PM @Jarhead713 - he was in your exact shoes last year and he declined the ECP, showed up to Ole Miss and won a scholarship.
 
bk120165 said:
I would appreciate if people who did and didn't receive an offer could insight on the stats they had just to give many individuals like myself a better perspective on what the third board may look like. I understand that the PMS interview is extremely important but I am just struggling with my decision on the offer I received and I do not have much time to decide. Thanks
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I received the ECP offer too. I talked with my counselor and they said that it has nothing to do with merit and it's basically a random draw from cadet command to try and keep the MJCs full.
 
Harpy said:
wait what do you mean by this? Like if we improve anything, they won't look at it?
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NO - This has been discussed numerous times. For AROTC you are only boarded ONE TIME. A physical person/team only looks at your file for the 1st Board that you are ready for. After said review, you are given an OML (score). You are thrown in a pile and scholarships are given out based on that score/force rank. Roll to the 2nd Board - you already have a score and you are compared with the people on the 2nd Board. Roll to the 3rd Board - same thing.

You can resubmit a new PFT or SAT/ACT score and it will change your score (OML) but no one will ever look at your application after it is Boarded the 1st time. I will note that any increase in PFT or standardize test score after you are boarded gets reduced point value. If you can improve them, by all means submit - but understand you are just a score at this point and there is very little you can do to change the score or increase your chances. This is a national competition - some objective components and other subjective - at the end of the day it all boils down to how your score compares to the thousands of other high-achieving seniors.

That is why @Montana State Army ROTC has basically written a book on the importance of NOT submitting your application until you are 100% sure it is your best effort.
 
This might be a stupid question but if you get a 3 year scholarship can you redo your pft. I know it's very rare to have your 3 year upgrade to a 4 year but say you max it out will your OML move up so you have a better shot.
 
hbl said:
This might be a stupid question but if you get a 3 year scholarship can you redo your pft. I know it's very rare to have your 3 year upgrade to a 4 year but say you max it out will your OML move up so you have a better shot.
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Probably not, but maybe. There seems to be a handful of 3 year ADs that are changed to 4 year after the 3rd Board. There are a few reasons why this can happen. Usually it is a candidate who was on the edge between a 3 and 4 and CC ended up not awarding as many 4s as they had allotted for. So say you have 10 extra 4 -YR scholarships the end of the 3rd Board. The 10-3-YR winners with the highest OML will get the nod.

The part of the question I don't know is if your OML can change after you are awarded a 3YR - I don't think it can.
 
EEBTTF said:
NO - This has been discussed numerous times. For AROTC you are only boarded ONE TIME. A physical person/team only looks at your file for the 1st Board that you are ready for. After said review, you are given an OML (score). You are thrown in a pile and scholarships are given out based on that score/force rank. Roll to the 2nd Board - you already have a score and you are compared with the people on the 2nd Board. Roll to the 3rd Board - same thing.

You can resubmit a new PFT or SAT/ACT score and it will change your score (OML) but no one will ever look at your application after it is Boarded the 1st time. I will note that any increase in PFT or standardize test score after you are boarded gets reduced point value. If you can improve them, by all means submit - but understand you are just a score at this point and there is very little you can do to change the score or increase your chances. This is a national competition - some objective components and other subjective - at the end of the day it all boils down to how your score compares to the thousands of other high-achieving seniors.

That is why @Montana State Army ROTC has basically written a book on the importance of NOT submitting your application until you are 100% sure it is your best effort.
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Oh okay I understand, yeah I thought I was ready for the first board in October but since then I had changed my essays and added a few more things into my application for the January board but clearly that means they didn't look at those again. Thank you for clearing it up. Looks like all I have to do is increase the PT score!
 
Harpy said:
Oh okay I understand, yeah I thought I was ready for the first board in October but since then I had changed my essays and added a few more things into my application for the January board but clearly that means they didn't look at those again. Thank you for clearing it up. Looks like all I have to do is increase the PT score!
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Correct - your essays were not reviewed again. PFT and Standardized tests are what you can change at this point.
 
EEBTTF said:
@bk120165 - you are limiting yourself if that is your perspective. Take a step back and get out a piece of paper. Write down all of the reasons why you are pursuing a scholarship and rank them in terms of importance to YOU. If all you are trying to do is pay for college and you don't care about active duty - take the ECP. Can you afford to go to college if you don't get a scholarship? Do your time in the guard/reserves and move on. Plenty of people do it.

Do you want to go active duty, are you thinking that you may want to make a career of it (we all did going in..) . Does the ECP limit you to what school you want to go to? You may feel like you are under a time crunch, but you really are not. Some self reflection here and the answer will present itself.

So - you decline the ECP and don't get a scholarship on the 3rd Board. As has been discussed, the majority of scholarship dollars are campus based allotments. Go to school, show up in shape, work your *** off and get a 3.5 or 3 year. It happens all the time. There are many, many paths to commission..

PM @Jarhead713 - he was in your exact shoes last year and he declined the ECP, showed up to Ole Miss and won a scholarship.
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That’s really good advice. Thank you!
 
bk120165 said:
Thank you all, I know it isn’t wise to compare scores but I only have one month to decide if I wish to compete in March or take the ECP scholarship. It is a difficult decision and I am just trying to see where I may be. I appreciate the feedback!
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1150 SAT, 3.78/4.08 GPA, just short of a perfect PFT, 4 year varsity soccer player, NHS, FCA, approx 400 community service hours, mock trial, 4 years JROTC (XO junior year, BC senior year), raiders competition team, drill team, color guard, selected for Girls State (cancelled due to COVID), etc

SAT score was her biggest weakness.
 
Orionling said:
1150 SAT, 3.78/4.08 GPA, just short of a perfect PFT, 4 year varsity soccer player, NHS, FCA, approx 400 community service hours, mock trial, 4 years JROTC (XO junior year, BC senior year), raiders competition team, drill team, color guard, selected for Girls State (cancelled due to COVID), etc

SAT score was her biggest weakness.
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100,000 ft analysis - SAT is not competitive. Is there any chance she can retake? They do super score and it may give her some needed points.

She looks like a great candidate minus the SAT. Not saying that she won't be competitive for a 3-YR on Board 3, but a 1200+ would be more in line with the data I have seen.
 
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bk120165 said:
I would appreciate if people who did and didn't receive an offer could insight on the stats they had just to give many individuals like myself a better perspective on what the third board may look like. I understand that the PMS interview is extremely important but I am just struggling with my decision on the offer I received and I do not have much time to decide. Thanks
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3.4 GPA unweighted but after taking the hardest classs my school offers- 12 total IB credits, including 8 of those being Higher Level. 1200 SAT, High PFT score, long list of extracurriculars, over 250 volunteering hours (most of those are because I’m a certified firefighter), lettered twice in one sport all through high school, Interview was bad because I was so nervous. I did not win anything in the second board.
 
Little off-topic here but still relating to ROTC scholarship. If I wanted to retake my PT test to max it out and I need a new proctor how would I go about getting them the instructions. I already filled their email and name into the "academic info" page but they didnt get an email. Should I email CC?
 
hrtly said:
Little off-topic here but still relating to ROTC scholarship. If I wanted to retake my PT test to max it out and I need a new proctor how would I go about getting them the instructions. I already filled their email and name into the "academic info" page but they didnt get an email. Should I email CC?
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You would take the test and upload it to the portal/CC the same way you did the first one.
 
EEBTTF said:
100,000 ft analysis - SAT is not competitive. Is there any chance she can retake? They do super score and it may give her some needed points.

She looks like a great candidate minus the SAT. Not saying that she won't be competitive for a 3-YR on Board 3, but a 1200+ would be more in line with the data I have seen.
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She received the 3 year to her top 3 schools. I forgot to put that in my post.
 
EEBTTF said:
You would take the test and upload it to the portal/CC the same way you did the first one.
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I believe there are multiple ways to upload the results. My DS's coach received an email from CC with a link, and he put the results in that way. But I think you can also find the form online and upload them through the portal.
 
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