AROTC Scholarship vaccine religious exemption question

unkown1961 said:
And if the religious exemption is based on medications that used fetal cell lines during research and development, do these people also refuse to take other medication that used the same system like acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft?
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IMO, someone who does, *may* have a strong case for a religious expedition.
 
The Catholic Church has taken the position that the mRNA technology vaccines, Moderna and Pfizer are acceptable. The J&J is not.

I think it would be very difficult for a Catholic to use a religious exemption when the Church has made this publicly known.
 
Anonymous1211 said:
Really? Because I have several bottles sitting about 20 feet behind me.
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Hey, can you post a pic of those several bottles? May help clear up a long standing debate about if Comirnaty or Spikevax are actually available in the US. This assumes you are in the US.
 
Read this thread again. Lot of good advice here. I like that people are actually focusing on what religious exemption means even though there is quite a bit of varied opinion on it. Lot of real world advice as well regardless of what the actual facts are. As the one person said, it can all change on a court decision.

Commented on a post several months back when it appeared no religious waivers were being granted. At the time that seemed like a problem that would allow people to say the program isn't real but rather in name only. Then a few exemptions were granted. But just a few.

Now you have this litigation ongoing. Again though, even if these people ultimately win, what future will they have? It's depressing to think about.

www.navytimes.com

Destroyer can’t deploy because CO won’t get COVID vaccine, Navy says

It's all connected to an ongoing lawsuit challenging the legality of the military's COVID-19 vaccine mandate.
www.navytimes.com www.navytimes.com

This snip I don't agree with. I think it remains to be hashed out as legally they are not the same. That doesn't prevent them from saying they are though. Then you are in decision time. What are you willing to do to have the career you want to have and where do you draw the line?

"In terms of Comernaty or Spikevax, those are "brand names" that the vaccines can be marketed under now that they have full approval. Companies do not have to change their labels but they can if they wish."

I think this and potential future litigation about this is why the threat of dishonorable discharges was backed off to now be administrative separation. Just a guess but we will see down the road.
 
Anonymous1211 said:
With all due respect, I am a licensed healthcare professional and Army Medical Service Corps officer. I can assure you the vaccines are fully FDA approved.

Reference FDA official link for Comirntay (Pfizer, BioNTech vaccine): here.

Reference FDA official link for Spikevax (Moderna vaccine): here.
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My DS will be getting vaxed for compliance for his NROTC scholarship. Is there one you recommend? We've done some research, but difficult being that we are not medical professionals and it's hard to get through to the "real" information.
 
botello said:
My DS will be getting vaxed for compliance for his NROTC scholarship. Is there one you recommend? We've done some research, but difficult being that we are not medical professionals and it's hard to get through to the "real" information.
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Your family physician should be your best source.
 
botello said:
My DS will be getting vaxed for compliance for his NROTC scholarship. Is there one you recommend? We've done some research, but difficult being that we are not medical professionals and it's hard to get through to the "real" information.
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I personally got Moderna, which was the only offered at my place of employment. Studies show that it does have the edge over Pfizer, however small.
 
In case you are wondering what your chances are here are some updated numbers on who got exemptions for what.

news.usni.org

Marine Corps Exceeds 1,000 COVID-19 Vaccine Separations, Navy at 469 - USNI News

The Marine Corps has now separated more than 1,000 Marines due to refusal to get vaccinated against COVID-19. The Marine Corps separated 165 Marines over the past week due to their refusal to get vaccinated against COVID-19. At 1,038, the Marine Corps leads the military branches for the most...
news.usni.org news.usni.org
 
NickHarlan said:
My daughter is a freshman at a SMC on a 3 year AROTC scholarship. She has been told she needs to be vaccinated or seek an exemption by May of this year. She is 100% opposed to getting the vaccine and is seeking a religious exemption. I have some questions/requests:
1. If anyone has any insight in seeking religious exemption (from any branch) I would be most appreciative of any guidance.
2. Given changes that might happen with mandates would she be able to “keep” her scholarship even if she does not qualify come August? How long does she have to qualify before she loses scholarship?
3. It would be a hardship but we could pay her tuition and board and forego scholarship and hope the army lifts mandate before she graduates. For someone who very much wants to serve would this be a reasonable option?

Thank you
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This article may be of some interest to your DS: https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...trike-down-the-militarys-vaccination-mandate/
 
Tropic Justice said:
This article may be of some interest to your DS: https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...trike-down-the-militarys-vaccination-mandate/
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“Through much prayer and reflection, Plaintiffs have sought wisdom, understanding, and guidance on the proper decisions to make concerning these COVID-19 vaccines, and Plaintiffs have been convicted by the Holy Spirit that accepting any of the three currently available vaccines is against the teachings of Scripture and would be a sin,”

Hmmm.

1.) While it appears these attorneys have the legal right to attempt this tactic, I propose that what they are doing is, by definition, “taking the Lord’s Name in vain.”

2.) It’s always interesting to hear anecdotal scriptural claims without the actual scripture referenced. It’s almost as if they didn’t want a peer review study. There are many, many ways to prevent and reduce abortion. And many of them look a lot like how Jesus treated people and less like legislation.

3.) And since these plaintiffs claim intimacy with the Holy Spirit, I’d love to know how He has convicted their hearts for the last few years with any other US national issues. Any let’s say, “big lies”, that were also prompted for public or private confession? Any other vaccines or advances in medicine that He convicted them of? Any other household products born in R&D sin that were rejected?

4.) Finally, whether or not you feel like you’ve invested sufficient prayer, time, reading, etc to bombastically conclude that suddenly God Almighty has aligned to your opinions, I would remind you just how small we are and how big He still is.
 
cb7893 said:
Your family physician should be your best source.
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I wondered if we'd get an honest recommendation. Do doctors receive incentives from different companies? We're not really worried about the effectiveness; he's had covid with mild symptoms (the first covid summer). We're more worried about potential side effects.
 
botello said:
I wondered if we'd get an honest recommendation. Do doctors receive incentives from different companies? We're not really worried about the effectiveness; he's had covid with mild symptoms (the first covid summer). We're more worried about potential side effects.
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I can't speak for your family medical history and what potential side effects it might have (your doctors would be more qualified for that). But based on both my experience as well as the experiences of my family and friends, the main side effect appears to be feeling like you caught a small cold for a day. However, different vaccines (I received Pfizer) might bring increased risks depending on your medical history.
 
Not debating your actual arguments, but in the OP you state your DD wants a religious exemption, but then your arguments have nothing to do with religion. If your DD presents non religious arguments her chances go from slim to nil.
 
NickHarlan said:
Well then SECDEF is being lied to as there is not a single dose of a FDA approved vaccine in existence in the USA. Just because someone said or wrote something or you found it on Google does not make it a fact
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FROM THE FDA WEBSITE:

"Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty (koe-mir’-na-tee), for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older. The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization (EUA), including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals."

This says it has full FDA approval along with EUA for children.

Soooo...the FDA says it is FDA approved (along with the Moderna vaccine for that matter). But yeah....go ahead and tell actual medical professionals that they are wrong......

Someone said something about stuff not being a fact just because someone wrote it.....huh. Doesn't really seem like you actually checked the FDA for the truth and were going off of something your read somewhere which wasn't a fact.

But please continue you complain about others on this forum being too "hostile" despite the fact you are telling actual professionals they don't know what they're talking about 😂
 
I take what was said was that Comirnaty (and now Spikevax) are the FDA approved versions but what are being administered are the EUA versions as the FDA approved versions are not available.

There was a person in this thread that said they had bottles of the stuff right next to them. I asked that he post a picture because that can help resolve if Comirnaty and Spikevax are actually available. So far no picture.

If you have proof that Comirnaty or Spikevax are currently available please post it. It will help forward the discussion.
 
JP4 said:
I take what was said was that Comirnaty (and now Spikevax) are the FDA approved versions but what are being administered are the EUA versions as the FDA approved versions are not available.

There was a person in this thread that said they had bottles of the stuff right next to them. I asked that he post a picture because that can help resolve if Comirnaty and Spikevax are actually available. So far no picture.

If you have proof that Comirnaty or Spikevax are currently available please post it. It will help forward the discussion.
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They are one and the same. All vials produced for EUA have been approved for use. Thus because a vial states "COVID-19 Vaccine" and not "SpikeVax" or "Comirnaty" does not mean that a person is receiving a non-FDA approved vaccine. They are identical. To state otherwise is quite simply conspiracy theory. It will not "help forward the discussion" either way. The FDA says they are approved, and so they are regardless of what Alex Jones might say.

According to FDA, "On January 31, 2022, the FDA announced the second approval of a COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Spikevax, for the prevention of COVID-19 in individuals 18 years of age and older. Spikevax has the same formulation as the EUA Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine and is administered as a primary series of two doses, one month apart. Spikevax can be used interchangeably with the EUA Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine to provide the COVID-19 vaccination series."

Case closed. End of discussion. Remove foil cover from head.
 
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So the other guy is right. You do not have jars of Comirnaty or Spikevax in front of you. They are not "one and the same" and so far everyone has received EUA versions. While they can be used interchangeably for effect they are not the same. That is the point the original poster made. It isn't a conspiracy theory. It isn't Alex Jones. There is no foil cover on heads. We know what you are trying to do with that language.

I also mentioned on prior threads the behavior that gets threads locked. It follows the same pattern and works remarkably well on coronavirus related threads. I got banned for that post but that thread got locked just as expected. Here it is again:

"Probably because there is a set of users here that don't like certain things being discussed. They follow a predictable pattern - claim misinformation, politics, straw man, off topic, and then insults. It is an amazingly effective tactic on this forum. Look at how most topics on corona or vaccines get shut down over and over again."

In this thread there are already claims of misinformation, politics, straw man, off topic, and in the post above as well as others, insults.

Fortunately there are a lot of useful posts here. Let's hope this one actually stays open.
 
If you won't accept the word of the governing agency then you aren't looking for the truth, you're looking for an argument. That's fine, but the "claims" by the FDA are in fact the truth on approvals. They are the approvers, they decide, and hair-splitting like this over decided points like names are the deviation from the truth.

EDIT: I guess to add something relevant to the topic I should point out to the initial poster that it's quite likely there will be another vaccine for something in the next year or six and this same sort of question will arise. So even you you manage to dodge this one you may face this again, and that's ignoring the fact that you could have difficulty being deployed to countries with covid shot requirements. This isn't a one-time hurdle.
 
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