Article-Minorities Underrepresented in Nominations

brewmeist

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The numbers don't lie, but there was no mention of what percentage of minorities actually apply for nominations. I'm not sure if the 'bottleneck' is due to discrimination as much as it is to poor advertising. I've heard of certain MOCs that get zero applications. You can't nomination someone if they do not fill out an application.
 
If you want to read the full report you can go to the Connecticut Veterans Legal Center. The article leaves out the part where they have all the answers if only Congress and the DOD would follow their guidelines.
 
but on the other hand its been well documented that many minority athletes who wouldn't otherwise qualify get admitted
 
When you can get a free ride anywhere, why go to an academy?
I am sure your intention is not to make a general statement blanketing all minorities. There are some minorities ( including one to which I belong to) do not have awareness, knowledge not only of academies but even of great ROTC programs. Oh rest assured that there is NO free ride at any college. And if there is one, it is earned thru sheer hard work and dedication.
 
I teach medical science and biotechnology in a health sciences academy attached to a large high school just down the river from the Pentagon. I’m in my 14th year in a district which not too many years ago was ranked nationally at or near the top depending on whose list you looked at. There is no lack of exposure to military accession in my school or the rest of the district.

We receive students from eight high schools from the side of the county with more immigrants and lower socioeconomic status. My classes are 95 percent non-white. These kids have kept me employed all these years and I’ve developed a trust and reputation with them as a teacher who’ll treat them right, teach them something, and write recommendation letters for college and other post-secondary programs.

Few of my minority students through the years have had any interest in military service of any kind, and the majority were not/are not qualified for officer programs or enlisted for that matter. Pre-pandemic the military recruiters set up in the cafeteria once a month and the last time I spoke with the Marines they said they were having trouble meeting mission because “kids are fat dumb and lazy.“ Most of my students work hard and have big dreams. Most of them every year say they want to go to medical school but the truth is, they don’t have the academic background or family and societal support to get in.

My wife and I spent yesterday watching our grandsons’ baseball games. I asked my daughter if she heard the state is taking away advanced diplomas and further neutering the curriculum. She erupted before I got out all of my question. She not only worked hard to earn her IB diploma but moved to their current neighborhood for the great schools. Unfortunately, coming soon to a great school near you are lowered standards and students from “failing schools.”

Narrowing the achievement gap was the buzz phrase a couple years ago and now it is equity. I’m a huge fan of equity and am a faithful practitioner. The problem with putting lower performing students with the high flyers is the teacher can only go as fast as the slowest student. Meanwhile the higher performers are not getting what they need to keep moving. Or, if we meet the needs of the high performers, the slower kids suffer. The solution is not spoken about in public. The solution surely can’t be implemented because the political environment has administrators and governors and presidents yielding to the pressures of the day.

Meanwhile, students are fleeing to private schools, home schooling, and deeper into the suburbs. That leaves once high performing schools with the dreaded “failing schools” label which perpetuates the problem with the solution being to mix up the students and re-boundary the county. When administrators and politicians speak of minorities they should tell us which minorities and admit to us how their policies have created this lack of minority representation in service academies.
 
I am sure your intention is not to make a general statement blanketing all minorities.
You're are absolutely incorrect. My intention for that statement were for both minorities and majorities. Make sure you think about the downstream effects if your goal is a military academy. You'll give up personal freedoms for 4 years, then 5 years of service. DS refers to the academy as a prison camp, although he's glad he went and is happy with his career.

I can't take credit for that statement. Those are the words of my son's friend and teammate, who was a State Champion Wrestler and an IB student( International Baccalaureate). He would be categorized as a minority, but he's in a category all by himself. He went down a different path than my DS, and now he's attending Law School. He didn't want to serve in the military, but he is a shining example of a citizen. He has wonderful family that we're still friends with.

Oh rest assured that there is NO free ride at any college. And if there is one, it is earned thru sheer hard work and dedication.

I would like to think the United States is still a meritocracy, but I'm not so sure anymore. But that's not a discussion for this Forum.
 
I teach medical science and biotechnology in a health sciences academy attached to a large high school just down the river from the Pentagon. I’m in my 14th year in a district which not too many years ago was ranked nationally at or near the top depending on whose list you looked at. There is no lack of exposure to military accession in my school or the rest of the district.

We receive students from eight high schools from the side of the county with more immigrants and lower socioeconomic status. My classes are 95 percent non-white. These kids have kept me employed all these years and I’ve developed a trust and reputation with them as a teacher who’ll treat them right, teach them something, and write recommendation letters for college and other post-secondary programs.

Few of my minority students through the years have had any interest in military service of any kind, and the majority were not/are not qualified for officer programs or enlisted for that matter. Pre-pandemic the military recruiters set up in the cafeteria once a month and the last time I spoke with the Marines they said they were having trouble meeting mission because “kids are fat dumb and lazy.“ Most of my students work hard and have big dreams. Most of them every year say they want to go to medical school but the truth is, they don’t have the academic background or family and societal support to get in.

My wife and I spent yesterday watching our grandsons’ baseball games. I asked my daughter if she heard the state is taking away advanced diplomas and further neutering the curriculum. She erupted before I got out all of my question. She not only worked hard to earn her IB diploma but moved to their current neighborhood for the great schools. Unfortunately, coming soon to a great school near you are lowered standards and students from “failing schools.”

Narrowing the achievement gap was the buzz phrase a couple years ago and now it is equity. I’m a huge fan of equity and am a faithful practitioner. The problem with putting lower performing students with the high flyers is the teacher can only go as fast as the slowest student. Meanwhile the higher performers are not getting what they need to keep moving. Or, if we meet the needs of the high performers, the slower kids suffer. The solution is not spoken about in public. The solution surely can’t be implemented because the political environment has administrators and governors and presidents yielding to the pressures of the day.

Meanwhile, students are fleeing to private schools, home schooling, and deeper into the suburbs. That leaves once high performing schools with the dreaded “failing schools” label which perpetuates the problem with the solution being to mix up the students and re-boundary the county. When administrators and politicians speak of minorities they should tell us which minorities and admit to us how their policies have created this lack of minority representation in service academies.
I always appreciate your posts. You can span the range from ironic observation to the right touch of funny to war stories to thoughtful deep dives like this. Thanks
 
I'm going to assume you mean all kids.

But I'll let Dean Wormer speak next:

I wrote, "Pre-pandemic the military recruiters set up in the cafeteria once a month and the last time I spoke with the Marines they said they were having trouble meeting mission because “kids are fat dumb and lazy.“"

But you quoted me with, "“kids are fat dumb and lazy.“" Why?

A Marine sergeant told me that. I was doing my hallway duty and he walked over to introduce me to a staff sergeant new to the office. I asked him how business was and came back with that comment. I laughed which drew even more side ways glances from the other teachers in the area.

The teachers must have been thinking, "Surely that warmonger is talking about those 'kids across the highway,' those living in the two bedroom apartments with six kids and a grandma. Isn't he?" No, he was actually talking about the kids of the elite, the ones who live in the million dollar neighborhoods whose daddies work at the five sided building and beyond. Those kids. The kids from the wrong side of the highway who are not qualified to join the military for lots of other reasons. Most of which are not their fault.
 
The numbers don't lie, but there was no mention of what percentage of minorities actually apply for nominations. I'm not sure if the 'bottleneck' is due to discrimination as much as it is to poor advertising. I've heard of certain MOCs that get zero applications. You can't nomination someone if they do not fill out an application.
Very much agree with @brewmeist . I'd like to see
Actual minority application to % receiving nomination.
Minority application to total relevant candidate pool %
Unless I missed it, the study only used total US population and district population, which is not representative of the pool of candidates that meet the main eligibility factors.
 
Whose at fault?
Plenty of blame to go around. A kid brought here or mixed in with the walking crowd crossing the border had no say in the decision. I have one student who can’t communicate in English. She is Central American. Two years ago I had a student who never said one word in class. She was embarrassed at her poor English. It took her twice as long to do assignments. I would tell her to turn it in and she’d get full credit. She refused and turned it in when completed. She’s from Ghana. She walked up to my room last year and with much improved language skills, asked if I would write her college recommendation letter. I was so choked up I could hardly say yes. I have a Central American girl without papers. She came to me for advice on how to get a job in healthcare without being a citizen. I referred her to a Salvadoran colleague. I had a student last year who had to move to Virginia Beach to stay with a relative. Her dad had been deported. I have lots more of these stories.

Most Americans on all sides of the issue read about it or just know about it from their 35000 foot view. It doesn’t really affect them. I live in the middle of it.
 
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