Cadets do you understand the time commitment?

Just_A_Mom said:
Yes. The benefits are graduated and full benefits are received after three years of service. The service time clock for an SA or ROTC grad does not start ticking until their SA or ROTC active duty commitment is fulfilled. 5 years for SA and generally 3 or 4 years for ROTC.

here is a info sheet from the VA:
http://www.gibill.va.gov/documents/Post-911_General_Info(2).pdf
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With the exception of the Coast Guard Academy....no need to wait for the end of the 5 year commitment.
 
LineInTheSand said:
They don't have to wait 5 years.

Not sure why.
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(I'm going to assume this is true)

It's probably has something to do with the different funding source for the CGA, or even more likely whoever wrote the law forgot (didn't know about) the CGA.
 
Luigi - post #21.

LITS - I thought the Coast Guard paid for grad school for nearly every officer anyway. If they do then there is no need to use the New GI Bill. You can just keep it in your back pocket and use it later on.
 
Just_A_Mom said:
Luigi - post #21.

LITS - I thought the Coast Guard paid for grad school for nearly every officer anyway. If they do then there is no need to use the New GI Bill. You can just keep it in your back pocket and use it later on.
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You thought wrong. Most of the people I know went through grad school on their own. Out of 205 classmates, maybe 10 went to grad school already with maybe another 10 going in the next few years.

Luigi, 5 years before you get the full support as an active duty member under the Post 9/11 GI Bill.
 
kp2001 said:
(I'm going to assume this is true)

It's probably has something to do with the different funding source for the CGA, or even more likely whoever wrote the law forgot (didn't know about) the CGA.
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Right, I would love to know. Sometimes its nice to be forgotten.
 
LineInTheSand said:
You thought wrong. Most of the people I know went through grad school on their own. Out of 205 classmates, maybe 10 went to grad school already with maybe another 10 going in the next few years.

Luigi, 5 years before you get the full support as an active duty member under the Post 9/11 GI Bill.
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Interesting because when I went on a tour at the CGA they emphasized graduates education opportunities - paid for by the Coast Guard. Claimed that it was more than any other service, etc. Big selling point.
Was that off base?

So where does it say what the Post 9/11 GI bill qualifications for Coast Guard member are?
 
Just_A_Mom said:
Interesting because when I went on a tour at the CGA they emphasized graduates education opportunities - paid for by the Coast Guard. Claimed that it was more than any other service, etc. Big selling point.
Was that off base?

So where does it say what the Post 9/11 GI bill qualifications for Coast Guard member are?
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No idea JAM.

I know of more than one CGA grad who has not served their 5 year obligation yet who were found to qualify for the Post 9/11 GI Bill (the one you call "new GI bill").

I would love to know who told you that. Yes, graduate school is important, but if I take my shoes off I can count on two hands and two feet the number of classmates I have had who have already attended grad school or who will attend grad school in the next year. Tuition assistance and having 100% of grad school paid for by the Coast Guard are different monsters. A number of grad school assignments for various ranks are available each year.
 
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Just_A_Mom said:
Interesting because when I went on a tour at the CGA they emphasized graduates education opportunities - paid for by the Coast Guard. Claimed that it was more than any other service, etc. Big selling point.
Was that off base?
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No, you are not off base. 80% (4 out of 5) USCGA graduates continue their education at graduate school, with the USCG typically paying all costs (in exchange for extra service commitment - 3 months for every 1 month in the first year, then a one-to-one payback). It (80%) is a higher percentage than any other service academy.

LITS said:
I would love to know who told you that.
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It is printed in almost all of our literature as well as part of the AAP training knowledge base.
 
Luigi59 said:
No, you are not off base. 80% (4 out of 5) USCGA graduates continue their education at graduate school, with the USCG typically paying all costs (in exchange for extra service commitment - 3 months for every 1 month in the first year, then a one-to-one payback). It (80%) is a higher percentage than any other service academy.



It is printed in almost all of our literature as well as part of the AAP training knowledge base.
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Of course we're NOT saying that 4 out of 5 CGA grads have their grad school paid for by the Coast Guard, or that those alumni are getting that grad school with a service commitment. Many of my classmates are getting masters, BUT far less than 80% are doing so on the Coast Guard's dime. When my class has anywhere near 160 members attending grad school on the Coast Guard's dime, I'll let you know.
 
LITS - This is direct from the CGA website:
http://www.uscga.edu/display.aspx?id=460

Every junior officer in the Coast Guard can apply for the opportunity to obtain advanced education at Coast Guard expense. These educational programs generally range from 12-24 months in length and come with an additional service obligation of three months for each month of education for the first year and then a one-for-one after the first year of education received. There is an excellent chance of going to a post-graduate institution of your choice, as long as the university offers the degree program for which you have been selected.
While in school, you continue to receive full pay and benefits - your only job is to study and earn your degree! A complete list of Advanced Education programs of instruction can be found in the Educational Programs List. Note the opportunity for mid-grade and senior officers to attend prestigious Senior Service Schools like the Naval War College and the Air War College, as well as opportunities to attend executive development programs like the Harvard Security Fellowship, or Sloan Fellows Program.
While acceptance into these programs is based on job performance and academic potential, there is such a broad range of opportunities offered that any Academy graduate has a good chance of being selected for one of the programs. For instance, in the last 10 years, every Academy engineering graduate who has applied for an engineering post-graduate program has been accepted and has gone on to complete a master's degree!
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I sincerely hope this is not a mischaracterization of reality once in the Coast Guard.
 
I will get some numbers later today.

Thank you for your defense of the Coast Guard Academy.
 
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I'm still having trouble finding "80%" in the literature. I am not convinced that the 80% is for the Coast Guard funded graduate schools. In the last year just under 30% of the people who applied to a program were accepted. That does not mean there are not many other Coast Guardsmen using the GI Bill or paying their own way, but it certainly falls below the 80%.

Luigi or JAM, do you have that number actually posted anywhere in a way that indicates the 80% applies to those attending on the Coast Guard's dime?

It certainly doesn't indicate 80% in the piece JAM quoted.

I do think a large number of Coast Guardsmen, especially CGA graduates, go on to get a masters. Maybe that number is higher than the other services, maybe not, but I cannot find anything about 4 out of 5 Academy graduates receive their graduate degree on the Coast Guard's dime in a Coast Guard grad program.
 
LineInTheSand said:
Luigi or JAM, do you have that number actually posted anywhere in a way that indicates the 80% applies to those attending on the Coast Guard's dime?
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1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFQYqUaVYT8

Pay close attention beginning at the 2:50 mark.

2. http://www.uscga.edu/display.aspx?id=552

2nd paragraph, 2nd sentence.

3. Rear cover of AAP Pocket Guide (line 10)

4. AAP Pocket Guide, page 25.

Or, you can call the Admissions Department at 860-444-8500 and ask.

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We're looking at it now to see where the numbers are coming from. Thanks.
 
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Well, not sure about numbers but I did find this out guys...


Smallest of the five U.S. federal military academies
Four-year Bachelor of Science degree program
Founded in 1876 aboard the schooner Dobbin
Highly selective
No tuition
No congressional nomination necessary
Holistic education includes academics, physical fitness, character and leadership
Multiple roles of multi-mission, maritime Coast Guard accommodate diverse interests
2 graduates are NASA astronauts
80% of graduates go to graduate school (most paid for by the Coast Guard)
85% of graduates choose to serve beyond their five-year commitment

http://www.cga.edu/display1.aspx?id=340
 
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