Class of 2016 Service Assignment Numbers

NavyHoops

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Here were the published numbers for the Class of 2016. They found out last Thursday.

Surface Warfare: 249
Submarines: 137
SEAL: 38
Explosive Ordnance Disposal: 15
Navy pilot: 241
Navy NFO: 79
Medical: 15
Supply: 10
Civil Engineer Corps: 5
Intelligence: 19
Information Warfare: 7
Information Professional: 2
Oceanography: 1
Marine Corps ground: 170
Marine Corps pilot: 95
Marine Corps NFO: 4
 
I read that Navy football quarterback Keenan Reynolds has the service assignment of "Information Warfare". Does this mean that Information Warfare is no longer Restricted?
 

F15DOC

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Awesome info, 336 pilot slots, fairly close to the USAFA class this year. I know the young man we met with this year when visiting the USNA was texting with my son and was very excited to have gotten his pilot slot. Congrats to the class of 2016!!
 

Capt MJ

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Information Warfare is still a Restricted Line community, meaning command will only be available in that community's dedicated commands and he will serve primarily in IW billets (positions). It is - as always - about the needs of the Navy. If the Navy thinks it needs some people to get into the IW community as ensigns rather than wait until they serve in some URL community and then apply to the lateral transfer board, then that is what they will do, authorize a few slots. I suspect it's still only a handful of slots available each year.
The list above shows a fairly common spread among Navy unrestricted line warfare (main USNA purpose), restricted line and staff corps. Often, if medical DQ from warfare community eligibility occurs during 2/c or 1/c year, then a place is found in a RL or Staff community that doesn't have that issue. One of the more famous examples of that is David Robinson, who grew to 7'1" and was DQ'ed from URL, and was slotted into CEC, a staff corps.
What you don't see behind the scenes is the manpower modeling algorithms at work determining how many "widgets" of various flavors are needed to produce a well-staffed officer population at every rank, factoring in all kinds of losses along the way. Growing admirals and generals is a long maturation cycle, and much brainpower is invested in modeling various outcomes. DOPMA, the Defense Officer Procurement and Management Act, set end strength levels for every pay grade, which are divvied up across all officer communities - those numbers rule accession intakes at all commissioning points, influence service selection slots, determine promotion numbers and eligibility years, as a start.
More than you ever wanted to know.
 
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NavyHoops

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These numbers definitely look pretty consistent with years past. 38 SEALS is a lot! The IW/IP communities are still fairly new and working themselves out and how to build the best officer corps they can.
 

Capt MJ

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Navy Hoops makes a good point about SEAL intake tick upward. My guess - given the terrorist attacks around the world, time to start bulking up communities who play a key role. Needs of the Navy are a reflection of needs of national security.
 

F15DOC

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I think we can expect the spec war slots increase in all services, relying on them more and more....
 

NavyHoops

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They have gone up the last decade or so. When I was there the number was much closer to 15-18/class. Retention rates play a large role in these numbers too.
 

navyrunnur

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So, there's been a lot of discussion in the past year or so about women in combat; we have the 2 women who completed Ranger training.... am wondering long before we see women in the SEALs ranks? Just sayin'.....:rolleyes2: Anyone here 'in the know'??
 

NavyHoops

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SEALs have talked about this. The official decision still hasn't been released yet from DoD. If I remember correctly, the SEALs did not apply for an exemption. I think it will be like Ranger school, if a woman can pass it without changing the standards, then they can do it. SEALs also have a similar pipeline with a training program prior to actual school itself. There are women who go to Dive School, EOD school, etc. These might be some of the first we see attempt it. To be honest, in the entire time I have been associated with the military, I honestly say I have seen 1 woman who physically has the chops to be a SEAL. She went EOD. Not to say there aren't more out there. Its a unique lifestyle and its not for everyone, man or woman. I had some friends who did very well at mini-buds and decided to go another path because they were getting married (divorce rates are extremely high in Spec War) or it just wasn't the right fit for them.
 

LongAgoPlebe

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SEALs did not apply for an exemption - they are ready to open teams to women.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/08/19/navy-poised-to-open-seal-teams-to-women-report.html

I also seem to recall that VADM Carter was (moderately? enthusiastically? tepidly?) supportive of USNA women service selecting SEALs. I can't think of a better place to incubate the first women to go to BUD/S than USNA. They'd be able to train and be mentored for nearly four years. Just as for the men, there'd be time to discourage those who are a bad fit, train-up those who are a good fit, learn about injury prevention and recovery, form community bonds, etc. Among the lessons of the three Ranger graduates are 1) the importance of long-term physical training, and 2) the importance of tactical training - that most women do not get right now, or get much later in their warfare community pipelines. Sure, we don't see a lot of women physically qualified now - but how much of that is biological limitation and how much of that is a matter of training is a question that remains to be answered. We don't even know this for every man who enters BUD/S.
 
My DD had been aiming for EOD since she was about 13 years old. Three of my kids are Sea Cadets and we had the good fortune to attend a luncheon with (then) CNO Admiral Greenert, and he spoke of SEALs being in the process of opening to women. My DD then set her sights on SEALs. The physical standards are very close for EOD and SEALs. Will my DD make it? I don't know, but she's been training for the past 2 years and is confident she can.
 

Capt MJ

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My DD had been aiming for EOD since she was about 13 years old. Three of my kids are Sea Cadets and we had the good fortune to attend a luncheon with (then) CNO Admiral Greenert, and he spoke of SEALs being in the process of opening to women. My DD then set her sights on SEALs. The physical standards are very close for EOD and SEALs. Will my DD make it? I don't know, but she's been training for the past 2 years and is confident she can.
The Navy, as all Services do, will approach this very methodically. As they did with submarine warfare opening to women in 2010, at USNA and other commissioning sources I believe there will be briefings, mentoring groups, etc. There will be physical "screeners" during junior year. Any missteps will be scrutinized. There will be a process laid out. For now, your DD should concentrate on staying fit, and aiming to be a PT beast, and wherever she lands for her pre-commissioning path, focus on being the one of the top performers - if not the #1 - in academics, military performance, leadership, conduct - and PT. The Navy will skim the top all-around performers to get that first handful. All-around is KEY. Athletic prowess is most definitely a big part, but shining in all areas is a minimum. We had a USNA sponsor daughter go EOD. She was a very strong swimmer and ran varsity XC. Natural athlete, system eng major, had significant leadership positions. Respected by peers. The one physical thing that nearly got her was the one-armed moving boat pick-up, where you swing yourself aboard. She doubled-down on core strength, upper body and grip strength. Think American Ninja and CrossFit. After graduation, and before she reported to EOD pipeline, she ran and swam miles, hiked with weight packs, lifted, but also did Pilates, yoga, flexibility and balance training, did workouts on little sleep, and learned meditative techniques to help her breathe, focus and get mentally tough. It's the last thing that usually gets people when the physical reserves are used up. She did just fine in the EOD pipeline and is successful as an EOD officer.

To sum up, aim at being a "top mid," and that is the best shot at getting through doors just cracking open.
 

AJC

Member
There will be select women who could make it through training. And it seems to me there are many scenarios where a female operator would be an advantage. Remember that SEAL training has no provision for recycle. So the numbers may not ever be significant.
 
Capt MJ - she trains with a local military group before school and on Saturdays, plus varsity swim team, varsity track (shot put and discus), and she's been boxing for 3 years. Her grades, while not perfect (3.87 out of 4.0 - largely due to slacking freshman year) she's taken/taking AP where she can. Fair amount of leadership positions (track captain, president of character council, chairman of the crew that buddies up with freshman, etc, plus a petty officer 3rd class with Sea Cadets. She's been rated a 1st class swimmer and expert marksman with Sea Cadets - and tons of awards at every training she's been on. She's also PADI certified open water diver, I believe she's 2 or 3 certs from her master diver. She was selected to attend the winter survival training in Colorado this year - she applied for it because she didn't yet have cold weather experience (lol). She's a candidate for class of 2020 USNA, and truly wants the naval academy because of the further training she'd have available. Plus, she knows that 4 years at the academy will give the Navy time to sort out females in the special forces :)
 

Rocket17

Member
JMHO, being "competitive" is one thing, being shot at is quite another. I have that T-shirt.

After all, this is all about combat. I have friends' names on the Wall. Including a USNA roommate.

I believe you'll find Phillip S. Clark listed in Mem Hall. PM me for the story. Christmas Eve, 1972. I was in the Tonkin Gulf that night.
 
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