Class of 23 & 24 Shotgunning

Capt MJ said:
Exactly as you called it - old grads, town liberty, visiting their old rooms (occupied), and “it seemed like a good idea at the time.”
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We used to get a kick out of the Old Grads during Homecoming weekend. They used to have a big cocktail party in Dahlgren Hall, followed by a nice Dinner in King Hall. Naturally, after dinner they would feel the need to visit their old rooms, and of course 5-0 was the first line of defense. Truth is , we were pretty accomodating and let them roam a bit. It was kind of fun talking to the old guys..but now I realize that I am probably as old as those guys now.
 
OldRetSWO said:
Rooms are used throughout the summer for different reasons. Roughly half of Bancroft will be used for Plebe Summer so THOSE rooms need top be empty so the plebes can be in them. Other areas of Bancroft will have mids in Summer School, Mids in other training, Athletic Teams who are in the yard for athletic reasons and other mids for a variety of missions/things.

EVERYONE MOVES OUT OF THEIR ROOMS. That said, not everyone gets mom or dad to come and help. Many/most do it with friends, peers or themselves and move into basement lockers or other storage which can include sponsors. FWIW, I never had my parents help me with my summer moveout and used a basement locker in Bancroft for most of my stuff. My son never asked for help from us on this and frankly, I don't have any idea where he kept his stuff when he was a mid. We lived about 3 and a half hours away and could have helped if asked but it never came up.
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We always used lockers too - and an occasional closet at a sponsor's house.
 
This reminds me of one of my best HS friends, who went ROTC at Notre Dame (and is a current USAF Lt Gen).

He was sound asleep in his dorm on a Saturday morning sometime in the mid '80s. Suddenly two old men very loudly bursted into his room. He was like, "What the $$%##??????" Then he saw they were both wearing racoon coats and hats from the 1940's.

That's when he remembered USC was coming into South Bend for some football. He turned around and went back to sleep, considering it was only 8:00 am and he only went to bed three hours prior after a fun Friday night...

He did wake up and went to the game, which was 12 hours later...
 
Capt MJ said:
As a BattO, I had to move out of my office every summer and move to another BattO’s office for my summer job. Ditto for company officers and senior enlisted. The Brigade dissolves on graduation afternoon. Mids are all promoted up a class. Ac year organizational structure shifts to summer training mode. At the end of the summer, “Reform” of the Brigade is exactly that, marking the transition from summer mode back to all companies and staff back in their normal locations and roles. One year we even had BGOs there for some training session, but some alcohol-related misconduct occurred (😬), and the Dant made it clear to the Dean of Admissions that was not going to happen again. One summer I was the NASP Officer, the BattO in charge of Bancroft and coordination among the various resident programs. The place is way busier than you would think, but different than the ac year with the entire Brigade there.

Bancroft Hall is cleared down and re-populated with NASS, NAAA sports camps, STEM camps, Yard-based summer training residents, Plebe Summer detailers and new plebe class, summer school the entire summer, and transient rooms for those needing a place to stay in between blocks or awaiting separation.

Mids store their stuff in shared storage lockers in town, at generous sponsors’ houses, in lockers at school when available, call upon family to rescue them or figure it out somehow. They always do.
@Dr. Strange Love Welcome to the military. Let your DD figure it out. It’s good training for all the logistics she’ll have to solve with every set of military orders. She’s got plenty of upperclass to advise her on how to do this.
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Could be worse - my son at Oxford has to take everything (yes everything) out of his room at the end of each term, and they have three academic terms a year. Vacation truly does mean vacation for them.
 
I was an 8th winger Plebe Year and then Fifth winger my remaining years. 5th wing is a great location. Easy to King Hall, Mid Store, etc. Red Beach for noon meal formation. Each Wing has its pros and cons.
 
NavyHoops said:
I was an 8th winger Plebe Year and then Fifth winger my remaining years. 5th wing is a great location. Easy to King Hall, Mid Store, etc. Red Beach for noon meal formation. Each Wing has its pros and cons.
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1st/3rd Wing was berry berry good to me!
Close to Midstore (and parking lot for weekend nights ;) ).
Close to T Court and T Court formations.
Close to academic buildings
2nd Deck was high enough to minimize OOD visits but low enough that the stairs were a breeze.
 
OldRetSWO said:
1st/3rd Wing was berry berry good to me!
Close to Midstore (and parking lot for weekend nights ;) ).
Close to T Court and T Court formations.
Close to academic buildings
2nd Deck was high enough to minimize OOD visits but low enough that the stairs were a breeze.
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5th wing… also close to the Rotunda for restriction muster :oops:
 
OldRetSWO said:
0 Deck is not usually a good place to be but 8th wing is pretty far back from the Rotunda/Main Office so its not really as bad as 0 Deck in 3rd or 4th wing.
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My old home - 32nd Co. Wasn't bad at all. Is the 6th Batt office still there - that was the only draw back to 0 deck there.
 
Very few wander to 8-0. It’s not a bad spot, especially if you have a view of the water. As a basketball player being so close to Halsey and the weight rooms was nice. But it’s a hike to any ac building. But easy walk to get pizza at night at Dahlgren. Close to Gate 1 for delivery. They all have their pros and cons and much depends on what they are involved in too.
 
Agree that 3-2 was nice. Close to Steerage, Mid-Store, tailor shop, Ac buildings, King Hall, etc. Nice view of T-Court as a 2/C or 3/C. Pretty common to get visits / inspections from higher ups, but not terrible. Worst thing was overlooking Goat Court as a 4/C.
 
usna1985 said:
Agree that 3-2 was nice. Close to Steerage, Mid-Store, tailor shop, Ac buildings, King Hall, etc. Nice view of T-Court as a 2/C or 3/C. Pretty common to get visits / inspections from higher ups, but not terrible. Worst thing was overlooking Goat Court as a 4/C.
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Youngster year I had a double sized three man on Goat Court on 3-2. I think that there was only one of them on the side closer to 1st wing.
Nice distance from Company Office and not on the OOD most visited list.
 
WolfPackGrunt said:
I am assuming the cheating scandal you are referring to relates to the December 2020 physics exam. Did USNA ever release how many Mids were expelled due to that? It unfortunate, especially where Honor Concept values should be held in the highest regard.
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Just released today via USNA site that 18 were separated. 82 in a probation program. 4 not guilty and 1 still being determined out of 105 potential.
 
Not a good day for USNA. Although hopefully the Brigade learns and moves forward. Don’t give up the ship.
 
I’m confused about the root cause being inadequate proctoring And the resulting actions are to increase proctoring. The whole purpose of the honor concept is that proctoring is not required because you’re . . . On your honor . . . Not to cheat. This tells me that USNA has given up on the honor concept, or at least given up on the idea that mids Can be trusted to be honorable. To me that makes it a sad day.
 
No population can be trusted to be honorable at all times. The best we can hope for us that, in populations where adherence to honor is expected, the percentage of violators will be lower than in the general population.

I think that is probably the case here.

And, no, the classes from "the good old days" were not morally superior, regardless of what they may claim.
 
usna1985 said:
I’m confused about the root cause being inadequate proctoring And the resulting actions are to increase proctoring. The whole purpose of the honor concept is that proctoring is not required because you’re . . . On your honor . . . Not to cheat. This tells me that USNA has given up on the honor concept, or at least given up on the idea that mids Can be trusted to be honorable. To me that makes it a sad day.
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I thought the Academy took quite a bit of the responsibility for the incident — more than was warranted in my opinion. The press release places much of the blame for this on Covid protocols and not on the mids who took advantage of the situation. At some point USNA has to be able to trust that their mids will be honest and do the right thing without someone looking over their shoulder.

I think the fact that 100 of the 653 who took the exam cheated in some form is staggering. That’s 15% of those tested! I was surprised they found the cheating was all done on an individual basis and wasn’t an organized effort. I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around those numbers.
 
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