Now that the totality of the circumstances have been posted above, I wish I had not posted and would not have done so had I understood the alleged circumstances.A senior officer borrowing money from a much junior SUBORDINATE has actually been used as an example in Frat training that I went through so I think that other folks that actually make policy might disagree with your assertion.
Remember, the APPEARANCE of impropriety can be just as corrosive to Good Order and Discipline as actual impropriety.
There is a great scene in Band of Brothers where an officer is gambling with his paratroopers and is reprimanded for just that.
I can think of recent examples of Generals/Admirals doing much worse....and then be allowed to quietly retire.
Korab wrote "The cadet had to chase her down to be repaid. As a parent of a cadet, this is disgusting."Is your son the "recruit" she helped while on vacation? if so, do you think that colors your view of her actions?
She received notification the card would be replaced weeks before the trip, didn't do anything about it until 2 days before the trip, blamed her staff, and then charged it to a cadet's card instead of her own, because she was already under investigation by the IG's office for the other allegations at the time this happened.
Read previous comment - this wasn't a sudden, unexpected failure of a credit card. It was due to her own inattention and failure to plan. She knew it was cancelled when she left. Even her spouse was uncomfortable with the charges going on a cadet's card.
The cadet had to chase her down to be repaid. As a parent of a cadet, this is disgusting.
So true - and so inappropriate. Who is going to say no to a general - which is why it is so inappropriate. Not to mention in contravention of rules.
It is important to note that this incident occurred WHILE SHE WAS ALREADY UNDER INVESTIGATION BY THE IG'S OFFICE FOR THE OTHER CHARGES!
There is a LOT more to it than just charges on the cadet's card. Here's the summary of their findings on this issue, but again, there is more - read the all report for all the details.
"The preponderance of evidence supports the conclusion Brig Gen Goodwin wrongfully
accepted a gift, a loan in the amount of $831.85, for 28 days, from an Academy cadet to
cover Brig Gen Goodwin's lodging expense while they were on TOY in Hollywood, CA.
Brig Gen Goodwin's GTC was inactivated due to a Pll breach and she traveled without a
valid OTC. Brig Gen Goodwin claimed she was advised to use someone else's GTC to
pay for her travel expenses, but her testimony was inconsistent with the facts. Three
witnesses she claimed were involved in a "front office" meeting to "plan" how to cover
her travel expenses, plus two other subject matter experts in the wing, all testified
Brig Gen Goodwin did not ask for any advice. Further, they all consistently stated they
would have advised Brig Gen Goodwin to use her personal credit card if they were asked.
While checking in at the hotel, Brig Gen Goodwin asked for one of the cadets to cover
her lodging expenses - one cadet volunteered. However, it wasn't until the cadet's
inquiry nearly four weeks after the TDY that Brig Gen Goodwin contacted the cadet to
repay the debt. Brig Gen Goodwin said she waited until she was reimbursed for her hotel
expenses before paying the cadet, rather than repaying the cadet immediately on return
from TOY."
We arent talking about sending a venmo to your buddy after you ordered his chinese food last night..Korab wrote "The cadet had to chase her down to be repaid. As a parent of a cadet, this is disgusting."
I would have just sent an email requesting repayment, with any applicable accrued interest. Simple enough.
"Chasing one down" seems a little old fashioned, and does not create much of a paper trail. Trying to make
the thread useful for existing and future cadets if placed in an "uncomfortable" situation.
Absolutely 100% correct - no question about it, beyond inappropriate.We arent talking about sending a venmo to your buddy after you ordered his chinese food last night..
It is so inappropriate that a FREAKING GENERAL would ask to charge their room to a CADET's credit card that its defies words and understanding. Failing to immediately reimburse the cadet is probably the least serious act associated with that incident. It should never have occurred at at all, under any circumstances.
I was thinking an official email using your official email address assigned by the institution, but if venmo is the program of choice these days, perhaps that would work. I like an official paper trail personally, but I get what your saying about it should not happen in the first place. I was just elaborating on how to resolve the transaction quickly and effectively. Paper trail kinda takes the worry process out of the equation for things, at least for me it does. I sense the overall disgust by many with the entire situation, so I will check out of this discussion before I stir the hornets nest too much and end up on a permanent ban from the forum. Peace and Happy Thanksgiving!We arent talking about sending a venmo to your buddy after you ordered his chinese food last night..
It is so inappropriate that a FREAKING GENERAL would ask to charge their room to a CADET's credit card that its defies words and understanding. Failing to immediately reimburse the cadet is probably the least serious act associated with that incident. It should never have occurred at at all, under any circumstances.
Except there are crazy women bosses and using double standard as a defense seems pretty weak to me. Dont get me wrong there are also crazy men bosses and they too should go by by but no one defends them or condems them because they are malesIf you're a male, you're a hard charger, if you're a female you're a... you know the rest.
So if the Brig Gen had paid the cadet next day, would the outcome be different?
Investigators say Goodwin lied when questioned after her firing, finding “multiple occasions when Brig. Gen. Goodwin’s testimony was either not accurate or consistent with the facts, not credible or not truthful and honest.”
But Goodwin’s Tuesdays triggered alarms for investigators.
Several members of Goodwin’s staff told investigators that she demanded Tuesdays off to spend with her family.
Goodwin admitted the Tuesday habit in her testimony saying she wanted the weekday free to “keep my marriage.”
It was more than Tuesdays. Investigators found that when Goodwin canceled scheduled trips for work, she would leave those out-of-office dates on her calendar.
"Don't ever put yourself in a position to take from these men."No this is second lieutenant 101 you don't ever put a subordinate in a position where you are asking them for a personal favor. I remember that being beaten in during precommissioning training. There is a great scene in Band of Brothers where an officer is gambling with his paratroopers and is reprimanded for just that.