Competitive Nomination

My point exactly if you look at the original post I was responding to. Remember in my State the SA just got the nominations less then 10 days ago. The SA is very busy for sure.
 
If you have an LOA there is NOTHING to worry about. Your appointment should be tendered within the next week.
 
If you have an LOA there is NOTHING to worry about. Your appointment should be tendered within the next week.
Not worried about an appointment. Read my explanation in the prior posts. Congratulations to all. For those waiting hang in there.
 
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I see "2020" were you were going with this thread. I have no idea why some people post false information to make others feel bad.
Good for you for taking the time to correct the false information. You will make a great leader. Best of luck!
 
Thank you B52LTA for the compliment! I am sure there was no intent to mislead on that person's part. Up here in New York and am sure other States
it's a waiting challenge for the nominations for we do not find out usually until the last day of January or early February. The SA as you probably know has a lot of work
to place those candidates on the slate of the MOC that is the best fit for the SA. Then those left will go to the NWL. This is truly a great forum as my brothers before me
used it to navigate thru their SA plights or should I say the challenge of patients in the waiting game. For me, I am now pretty much set.
Can I ask you a question? I see your avatar and name can I assume it means flew a B52 Long Time Ago? If so, did you go to SA and how was your career?
Sorry, I know that might be personal. Thank you again for your input. VR
 
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While being on the NWL does not guarantee an Appointment Letter, it is important to remember that all those who have MOC who rank off the competitive method (not principal) will automatically be placed on the NWL if found 3Q'd until USMA ranks the 10 candidates and offers #1 an appointment. For example, I have been found 3Q'd and was placed on the NWL because my district will not have all of its applicants' files finalized (AKA USMA is still ranking the 10 of us on our WCS) until next week.

I received my nominations from my congressman about a month ago. I asked him what type of nominating method he uses and he said that he uses the "competitive method". Now my question is, I've completed my application for the SA, received my nomination, and 3'Qd. will I be placed in the national pool automatically? if so do they hold me in the national pool until the other competitors who received nomination from my region complete their applications and are ready to compete for the vacancy? If this is true, does the remaining 9 who did not win the vacancy remain in the national pool to compete nationally? Im pretty clear on whats going on, but i read different versions of explanations on the nomination process, so i just wanted to make sure what i knew is correct.
 
Can any one please clear up my confusion?
1. I read that the USMA no longer does rolling admissions, so does that mean that the admission decisions will all be posted on May 1?
2. if the congressman from my region has 2 vacancies for a single SA, and because my region is not competitive t lets say only 8 people applied for a congressional nomination and received it. Does the rule still apply that among the nomination pool, 2 most qualified candidate will be selected to take the 2 vacancy? if so does it apply to this particular situation because there are 2 vacancies open which equals to 20 nominees, but only 8 people got the nomination to that SA, does the congressman have the option to give away the 2 vacancies? or keep one for next year perhaps?
 
The NWL is a misnomer. Exactly because of the nominations but also because admissions can fill the class not sequentially.

First, Rolling Admissions is filling appointments whenever they come available (say a presidential or MOC nomination arrives in October) and the director decides to award that appointment then instead of waiting until more test scores arrive and more candidates finish their application. Pro- solid individuals who complete early are likely to be appointed. Con - the best candidate may emerge over the course of the application process and not get in AND might not be strong enough to win a national vacancy.

Without rolling admissions, admissions is waiting longer to make sure the right individual wins a competitive slate (this is where the first/second waive talk comes in). They don't necessarily have to wait until file completion to know or accurately estimate IF

1) Admissions determines that the individual will most likely earn one of the top 150 spots off the NWL even if someone else emerges in the district. It's a pretty consistent WCS threshold every year. Much like SLE selection or selling airline tickets, a certain threshold is established and appointments are offered. As it comes closer to the file completion deadline and there is less variance in final WCS (the actual 150 threshold becomes clearer), more offers are sent. Similarly, there are thresholds for the service connected nominations as well.

2) The RC is likely to ask directly what each competitive candidate in the district is planning on adding. If they know #2, 3, 4 etc aren't taking a test and have no activities to update, then they can safely assume that #1 is going to win the vacancy.

Between all the nomination types (think separate lists for each MOC, service connected) that have the same candidates on multiple slates plus the NWL top 150 spots, appointments are not dolled out sequentially. The academy isn't just filling principals and LOAs first, then MOCs, and so forth down to the last 150 that somehow remain at the top. It is all happening at the same time in an ordered chaos that is just visible inside the admissions department.

The MOC have the option of using as many of their 5 vacancies that they have available at any time. If they want to use two vacancies and only nominate 3 people, that is their prerogative. That 3rd person will go on the NWL and compete as above.

Going back to the airplane seat sales, admissions will "oversell" appointments expecting a certain number of declinations on or before 1 May. Therefore, #1 may decline, but #2 won't get an appointment because there is already someone else from that district that has accepted their appointment and the class is "full", so admissions will use that individual to fill that vacancy. Again, this is all part of the ordered chaos. Rules of the road: 1) finish early 2) always seek ways to update/improve your file through the deadline, 3) be ready (until you get that TWE) even though someone from your district may already have been offered because their are always weird ways/times that people get in late in the cycle.
 
Can any one please clear up my confusion?
1. I read that the USMA no longer does rolling admissions, so does that mean that the admission decisions will all be posted on May 1?
2. if the congressman from my region has 2 vacancies for a single SA, and because my region is not competitive t lets say only 8 people applied for a congressional nomination and received it. Does the rule still apply that among the nomination pool, 2 most qualified candidate will be selected to take the 2 vacancy? if so does it apply to this particular situation because there are 2 vacancies open which equals to 20 nominees, but only 8 people got the nomination to that SA, does the congressman have the option to give away the 2 vacancies? or keep one for next year perhaps?
I asked at least part of your question a while back.

If a MOC has two open vacancies, apparently they are each separate independent spots, and the MOC can nominate up to ten candidates for each spot. In your case it sounds like your MOC nominated a total of eight for the two spots, which is great if you are one of those eight. Our senator didn't do that, but somehow my son ended up with two nominations, for two open spots, from that senator for West Point. It was kind of a waste though, as our representative also nominated my son, and my son recieved his WP appointment before WP even recieved either of the senators nominations.

It is noteworthy for your situation that the MOC must list the candidate as a nominee on each of the two slates in order for the candidate to be eligible to win either of the two spots. Otherwise the candidate can only win the spot for the slate he/she recieved a nomination for. Gets a little confusing, doesn't it?

Either way, with so few nominations given by your MOC, and two spots open, your candidate should be in a nice spot. Still needs to be 3q, and win a spot though. Good luck! I can say from recent experience, there are few things as satisfying as experiencing with your child the feeling of earning an appointment to West Point.
 
My son got an appointment to USMA in January, and accepted it. He also got an appointment to USAFA, and was put on the wait list for USNA.

He is excited about WP.
 
My son got an appointment to USMA in January, and accepted it. He also got an appointment to USAFA, and was put on the wait list for USNA.

He is excited about WP.

Yea this was directed at the guy who started this thread. Congrats to your son on making it into west point though!
 
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