Corona Virus on or before I-day = Medically DQ'd

Aztec Tiger said:
Here is the e-mail:

State Lead B&G Commander says:

Hello,

The following came from USNA just this morning. For each of us who have an Appointee, one with an offer but still making up his/her mind, or a candidate who is selected for NAPS, please pass these questions and answers on to that person. Since not all our State's Appointments have been given yet, please hold onto these Q&As in case one of your candidates is chosen soon.

Basically, the info is, if an Appointee has COVID-19 or gets it prior to I-Day, they are medically DQ-ed and that is it. Testing for the virus on I-Day is still being worked on. If they get it once at USNA, that is still being worked on. All our Appointees should take Great Care to Not Get the virus.

DQ-ed means “disqualified.” Sent home – banished – good bye. And if you think the Navy is heartless, they have 1,000 appointees and less 20 is no big deal to the World’s Greatest Leadership Laboratory. Sounds harsh. Wonder how they are gonna address the youngster Cruises that will be going to the seven seas at the end of May?

It is going to be an interesting journey. Stay home.
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Please forward this email to me, including the original from the BGO who sent it to you: douglas.cabarle@bgo.usna.com
 
Will this apply to current staff or midshipmen? If not - wouldn't that defeat the purpose of applying this to Appointee's?
 
TXROSE said:
Will this apply to current staff or midshipmen? If not - wouldn't that defeat the purpose of applying this to Appointee's?
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Probably not. Eligibility criteria is always most stringent before induction. There are many conditions that DQ an applicant which would not necessarily result in medical separation for a midshipmen. Likewise there are some conditions that will DQ a mid from commissioning which would not result in medical separation for a commissioned officer.
 
Aztec Tiger said:
DS just got an e-mail from his B&G officer stating the Naval Academy has stated any Appointee who acquires the Coronavirus before I-day will be medically DQ'd and appointment taken away, no exceptions
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Sorry guys..I'm gonna have to throw the BS flag on this one ... A couple warning signs:

1) There is no such thing as the "State Lead B&G Commander." Each area has an Area Coordinator, but that is mostly an Administrative position -- word doesn't necessarily trickle down through the Area Coordinator.,
2) As A6E pointed out, there is nothing on the BGO communication portals.
3) It is likely that Admissions would pass this information directly to the Candidates/Appointees directly, rather than the BGO program. (Keep in mind, we aren't even allowed to get involved in Medical Issues).
4) The absolute statement is not normal ... COVID has varying impacts on people.

I'm not going to say that USNA might not take this position until the long term impact of COVID infection is determined, but speculation and misinformation is rampant. Keep Calm...we will all get through this.

PS -- I truly hope this wasn't passed by a BGO.
 
it's possible that this BGO got some gouge from someone at USNA about policy that MIGHT be implemented, but that doesn't make it official.

as Old Navy points out, communications go straight from USNA to Appointees, not via the BGO. once a candidate is accepted, there is no role for the BGO

it would certainly be logical and rational to test incoming inductees for the virus, and turn back anyone who tests positive, that happens every year for a variety of issues, most are eventually offered a spot in the following year's class

testing the incoming class would have a whole bunch of challenges with it, that is a whole other subject
 
I tend to be more of an “observer” of these threads and not much of a ”poster”, but this one feels far too speculative for me not to step in and offer another POV. I’m not sure how many on this thread are still serving, or have ever served, but I for one am still in the final months of my 30-year career and I can see from the inside of one very large west coast naval organization that the situation is far too fluid right now to be speaking in absolutes. We’re planning all day every day for a number of scenarios to protect our Marines, Sailors, and their families...and as one poster has already indicated, some of the forecasts would mean “not 20 candidates” but perhaps closer to 50%-70% of the Class of 2024 would be insnared by a “one and done” policy. I can’t speak for what the planners inside USNA are working on right now, but I suspect they are working on any number of different courses-of-action (COAs) to protect both the institution, the brigade of current midshipmen, and the prospects of fulfilling their manning requirements for the incoming class. Appreciated validated information only at this point. S/Fi
 
Old Navy BGO said:
Sorry guys..I'm gonna have to throw the BS flag on this one ... A couple warning signs:

1) There is no such thing as the "State Lead B&G Commander." Each area has an Area Coordinator, but that is mostly an Administrative position -- word doesn't necessarily trickle down through the Area Coordinator.,
2) As A6E pointed out, there is nothing on the BGO communication portals.
3) It is likely that Admissions would pass this information directly to the Candidates/Appointees directly, rather than the BGO program. (Keep in mind, we aren't even allowed to get involved in Medical Issues).
4) The absolute statement is not normal ... COVID has varying impacts on people.

I'm not going to say that USNA might not take this position until the long term impact of COVID infection is determined, but speculation and misinformation is rampant. Keep Calm...we will all get through this.

PS -- I truly hope this wasn't passed by a BGO.
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The OP never did forward the email, which adds to my suspension this “directive” is B.S.
 
Lets say you were hypothetically feeling sick. If you never went to the doctor and never got tested, you could not say that you tested positive for Covid-19. If you are feeling sick and suspect it to be Covid-19 you could just stay at home and wait it out and nobody besides immediate family would know. Therefore, the academies and Dodmerb would have no evidence that you ever had the virus and you would in full honesty be able to say that you have never tested positive for Covid-19. For all you know it could have been the flu, a cold, or some other type of sickness.
 
ILUSMA said:
Let's say you were hypothetically feeling sick. If you never went to the doctor and never got tested, you could not say that you tested positive for Covid-19.
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True.

ILUSMA said:
...If you are feeling sick and suspect it to be Covid-19 you could just stay at home and wait it out and nobody besides immediate family would know...
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True.

ILUSMA said:
...the academies and Dodmerb would have no evidence that you ever had the virus and you would in full honesty be able to say that you have never tested positive for Covid-19. For all you know it could have been the flu, a cold, or some other type of sickness.
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Unless they test for antibodies when you get there. My wife never had TB, but she was exposed to it and tested positive for the antibodies. She had to get a chest X-Ray at 6-month intervals for the first 18 months, and had to report that she was exposed to TB for ten (10) years after that.

ILUSMA said:
...you would in full honesty be able to say that you have never tested positive for Covid-19. For all you know it could have been the flu, a cold, or some other type of sickness...
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True.
 
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The Crystal Orb on the bookshelf in front of me, will communicate with me about significant events, albeit infrequently .... Btw, the Orb doesn’t take questions, and I never know when it will communicate with me .... Two months ago, the Orb told me of some big event unfolding, alas, the situation we are in today.

Anyway, I will let you know if the Orb says anything about this letter.
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I've heard nothing from USNA. Not to impugn the OP, but I have a lot of doubts about the email. As noted, there is no "State B&G Commander." In large states, there are several Area Coordinators.

Every appointee should take extra precautions because we don't know what will happen as the situation evolves. That said, I would focus on official communications from USNA to you, the appointee. Those are the only ones that count.
 
I had a conversation with dad last night. Dad said that if this notification is true, it would create major liability issues.

It's not an injury accident nor car accident. But it's the worldwide pandemic "Incident" even caused the government's declaration of emergency for the entire nation.

How can they confirm if candidates were not infected on I-Day?

Many candidates will report on I-Day so there WILL be a much higher chance to be infected on the Yard. If candidates need to be kicked out of USNA on I-Day, they shall set up a drive through station or a similar one to test every single candidate. Otherwise, good candidates who were infected on I-Day would be punished permanently due to lack of high-satandard test station/facilities on the Yard.

Dad said that local, state and federal governments initiated a lot of waivers/excpetions for regulations and policies due to the emergency declaration. These exceptions and waivers shall be applicable to candidates as well.

Otherwise, it's just a life-long and biased punishment to future leaders who committed to serve this great country.

As an appointee, I would like to expect a true LEADERSHIP (not administrative actions) by USNA and USN. Then WE, future leaders, will learn from their great actions like the Great Generation!

We, young leaders, will watch, witness and learn from those who have led us to this point.
 
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dreamwiz said:
I had a conversation with dad last night. Dad said that if this notification is true, it would create major liability issues.
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There are so many things wrong with this whole comment that I can't address them all. However, as a lawyer, I hope that our leadership , including USNA leadership , are not looking at COVID 19 from a lawyer liability perspective. I was just lecturing a young Associate this morning (on a wholly unrelated issue) , that thinking like a lawyer is often the antithesis of accomplishing anything. Many lawyers are so adapt at finding the potential liability (and covering their a$$) that they are frozen and can't accomplish anything.

Listen to ADM Buck's comments (reposted on another thread this morning). One of the top priorities is getting the Class of 2024 up and running when possible. It is way to early to tell what that means, but rest assured that USNA Administration is going to do what's the best interest of the Country, the Navy, USNA , and the Brigade of Midshipman.
 
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I can vouch that the OP’s post is essentially correct. DODMERB has been fielding many calls related to COVID-19. The information I received was passed down from the admissions office.

—If a candidate is COVID-19 positive, they will be DQ’d by DODMERB. I believe the waiver process still applies, but not certain.
—If after accepting an appointment, a candidate becomes COVID-19 positive, they will be medically DQ’d.
—No determination on what happens if candidate is inducted and then becomes COVID-19 positive.
—COVID-19 testing on Iday has not been determined/decided at this point.

NOTE: the verbiage is “COVID-19 positive” not symptoms.

Maybe Larry Mullen can confirm or clarify?
 
If an applicant tests positive for COVID-19 for accession into the military right now they will be medically DQ’d, in accordance with DoDI 6130.03, Medical Standards for Appointment, Enlistment, and Induction in the Military Services.
 
MullenLE said:
If an applicant tests positive for COVID-19 for accession into the military right now they will be medically DQ’d, in accordance with DoDI 6130.03, Medical Standards for Appointment, Enlistment, and Induction in the Military Services.
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If they test positive now and are completely recovered by I Day will they be waivered or allowed to enter, or is a one time illness a permanent DQ?
 
Ok the brief I just read was, if you get it and recover you will be allowed in. This was from the Dean dated 3/20.

Note...this could be updated as conditions evolve.
 
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