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Hello,

I was on these forums back as a senior in high school while assessing my chances of getting in to the academies. I was ultimately accepted into USMA, USNA, and USAFA, and I chose to go to that which I believed to be the best.

I'd be happy to give some good information back to this forum since I remember in high school finding answers with questionable veracity. Being in my third year here I understand how West Point works, and think I can help potential candidates out -- so ask away!
 
Hello,

I was on these forums back as a senior in high school while assessing my chances of getting in to the academies. I was ultimately accepted into USMA, USNA, and USAFA, and I chose to go to that which I believed to be the best.

I'd be happy to give some good information back to this forum since I remember in high school finding answers with questionable veracity. Being in my third year here I understand how West Point works, and think I can help potential candidates out -- so ask away!
How crazy is the academic rigor? Is it a matter of not having enough time to study and having to decide which class to not study for or something like that?
 
Since you got into all three academies (which is super impressive!) what do you think separated you as a candidate when applying and ultimately got you appointments?
 
How crazy is the academic rigor? Is it a matter of not having enough time to study and having to decide which class to not study for or something like that?
Generally speaking, yes. In high school academics were my strength, so I didn't ever really have to worry about choosing what work to do. I was able to accomplish all of my work in high school to a high standard, even with several AP classes. However, having a high course load (average for me about 20 credit hours) makes it hard to manage, on top of other commitments like clubs/athletics/parade drill etc.

That doesn't mean I'm experiencing "failure" per se. I have about a 3.9 cumulative GPA here and have gotten A's and A+'s in almost every math/science class I have taken here, through disciplined studying and pursuing help from instructors outside of class. I'm a computer science major so those kinds of thing are what I'm really good at. In humanities classes like English or History, I tend to try to get an A- or B+ depending on the class, and usually I don't prioritize them as much as I do STEM type classes. Basically the humanities classes in particular assign readings on a regular basis that are simply too large of a quantity for me to keep up, so I tend to skim or study through other means (Quizlet etc.)
 
What years can you go to air assault, airborne, sapper, etc?
Air assault is pretty common in the summer after plebe year. I did Air Assault school after plebe year and thought it was a great time. It's not hard to get, there are plenty of slots for cadets.

Airborne is quite a bit harder to get, and is based on physical and military performance generally speaking. You can do Airborne either after plebe year or the next summer. I'm sure some have done it in the summer before Firstie year, although generally slots are reserved for rising yuks and cows.

I actually had an Airborne school for last summer, and was looking forward to having the air assault and airborne badges, but unfortunately because of covid I wasn't able to go (I didn't get covid - all cadets had it canceled) and now I will not have the opportunity to do it before graduation.

Sapper school is extremely selective and only a handful of cadets get it each year. A friend of mine actually got a sapper slot last year and was supposed to go last summer, but it was canceled because of covid. He's one of the highest military and physical performers I know of at West Point - definitely don't count on getting a sapper slot.
 
Since you got into all three academies (which is super impressive!) what do you think separated you as a candidate when applying and ultimately got you appointments?
I wasn't physically super impressive in high school. I did cross country and track, and wasn't really fit in any real capacity aside from cardiovascular fitness - wasn't very muscular or strong. I scored about average on the CFA.

What helped me stand out was academic performance (valedictorian of 500+ students, >1500 SAT etc). I also held leadership positions in my school student council and on the clubs I participated in. I also went to boys state, which definitely helped me in that category of the admissions score.

It's generally about being well rounded. It's fine to be great with academics, but you better not be totally out of shape. It's fine to be super athletic and fit, but you should have decent academics as well.
 
How did you choose which school to go to? Did you do anything that offered insight and made you think "This is the one"?
What opportunities at West Point have you received that you don't think would have been offered anywhere else?
 
Air assault is pretty common in the summer after plebe year. I did Air Assault school after plebe year and thought it was a great time. It's not hard to get, there are plenty of slots for cadets.

Airborne is quite a bit harder to get, and is based on physical and military performance generally speaking. You can do Airborne either after plebe year or the next summer. I'm sure some have done it in the summer before Firstie year, although generally slots are reserved for rising yuks and cows.

I actually had an Airborne school for last summer, and was looking forward to having the air assault and airborne badges, but unfortunately because of covid I wasn't able to go (I didn't get covid - all cadets had it canceled) and now I will not have the opportunity to do it before graduation.

Sapper school is extremely selective and only a handful of cadets get it each year. A friend of mine actually got a sapper slot last year and was supposed to go last summer, but it was canceled because of covid. He's one of the highest military and physical performers I know of at West Point - definitely don't count on getting a sapper slot.
Thanks for the reply! I assumed that sapper would be difficult to get!
 
When were you notified about your nominations and your appointments to each academy?
 
Perspective

For those Seniors who select aviation in Class 2021, they will be the 1st class to serve a 10yr ADSO after flight school vs 6yrs as of last year.

What is some of the opinions/feed back from the Juniors and Seniors on the new 10yr ADSO as of 1 Oct 20.
 
How did you choose which school to go to? Did you do anything that offered insight and made you think "This is the one"?
What opportunities at West Point have you received that you don't think would have been offered anywhere else?
I visited USMA first during SLE and was really impressed by the architecture. I think it's great that they have such a rich history and that the new buildings reflect the original gothic style. Of course this wasn't high up on my list for choosing it, but as far as emotional appeal goes, it left me in awe more than the other academies and it was the first thing that I noticed.

I also visited USAFA for an appointee tour, and up until that point, I was planning on going to USAFA. After visiting, I was very disappointed by the bland architecture and living scene. All of the buildings felt like office buildings, and overall the atmosphere struck me as bland. In all the photos USAFA posts they always prominently feature the cadet chapel, which is an impressive building to be sure - but after visiting, I understood why it was the only thing they ever seem to advertise. It's truly the only notable building there, except maybe for Polaris, the admin building just north of the chapel.

There is certainly more to consider than just the architecture and physical layout of the school, but personally I considered it somewhat important, because I would rather spend four years of my life in an interesting environment, rather than in stale office buildings.

Most important to me was how each academy would challenge me and develop me. My strengths leaving high school were, roughly speaking, academics, then leadership, then physicality. So I chose the school that I believed would most challenge and develop me physically and as a leader, and in that regard, I believe I chose correctly. I don't think that any of the academies has the prestige that West Point has, and I asked myself "twenty years from know, which school would I be most proud to call my Alma Mater?"

Additionally, I'm interested in branching Cyber, and the Army had just added a Cyber branch and seemed to be investing great resources into developing the cyber program at West Point and the cyber branch in the regular Army. That was another big reason that I chose West Point.

As for USNA - I probably did not give USNA as in-depth of a look as the others. I didn't visit the campus (which is truly a beautiful campus), but I still perceived it to have less prestige in general than USMA, and the branching choices from leaving USNA didn't appeal to me to nearly the extent that they did from USMA.

In summary I chose USMA because the environment and campus are superior to the others, in my judgement it has the richest history and most prestige to its name, the branching opportunities best aligned with what I wanted to do post-graduation, and its values stood to best develop me to be well rounded. I will qualify all of this by saying that I could have given USNA more of a chance, and I didn't look into it nearly as much as I looked into USAFA or USMA.
 
Little bit of an odd question, but how’s the dating scene at WP?
It's totally doable. I've had some good relationships with female cadets in my time here, but ultimately decided to not date simply because of the time constraints. That said, if you had any trouble finding a girlfriend in high school... good luck at USMA. The competition is steep (especially now during covid since you can't really leave, it seems like there are more female cadets in relationships than normal)
 
When were you notified about your nominations and your appointments to each academy?
My first appointment came from USNA in late February, and I got my appointments to USAFA and USMA in March.

I don't really remember when I got my nominations but I think it was probably around January, although it depends on your Congressman - they should tell you when their selections will be.
 
Perspective

For those Seniors who select aviation in Class 2021, they will be the 1st class to serve a 10yr ADSO after flight school vs 6yrs as of last year.

What is some of the opinions/feed back from the Juniors and Seniors on the new 10yr ADSO as of 1 Oct 20.
The people I know who strongly want to go Aviation are still planning on going Aviation. Generally speaking I think it has slightly reduced the interest in Aviation, especially among people who weren't planning as requesting it as their first choice.
 
I visited USMA first during SLE and was really impressed by the architecture. I think it's great that they have such a rich history and that the new buildings reflect the original gothic style. Of course this wasn't high up on my list for choosing it, but as far as emotional appeal goes, it left me in awe more than the other academies and it was the first thing that I noticed.

I also visited USAFA for an appointee tour, and up until that point, I was planning on going to USAFA. After visiting, I was very disappointed by the bland architecture and living scene. All of the buildings felt like office buildings, and overall the atmosphere struck me as bland. In all the photos USAFA posts they always prominently feature the cadet chapel, which is an impressive building to be sure - but after visiting, I understood why it was the only thing they ever seem to advertise. It's truly the only notable building there, except maybe for Polaris, the admin building just north of the chapel.

There is certainly more to consider than just the architecture and physical layout of the school, but personally I considered it somewhat important, because I would rather spend four years of my life in an interesting environment, rather than in stale office buildings.

Most important to me was how each academy would challenge me and develop me. My strengths leaving high school were, roughly speaking, academics, then leadership, then physicality. So I chose the school that I believed would most challenge and develop me physically and as a leader, and in that regard, I believe I chose correctly. I don't think that any of the academies has the prestige that West Point has, and I asked myself "twenty years from know, which school would I be most proud to call my Alma Mater?"

Additionally, I'm interested in branching Cyber, and the Army had just added a Cyber branch and seemed to be investing great resources into developing the cyber program at West Point and the cyber branch in the regular Army. That was another big reason that I chose West Point.

As for USNA - I probably did not give USNA as in-depth of a look as the others. I didn't visit the campus (which is truly a beautiful campus), but I still perceived it to have less prestige in general than USMA, and the branching choices from leaving USNA didn't appeal to me to nearly the extent that they did from USMA.

In summary I chose USMA because the environment and campus are superior to the others, in my judgement it has the richest history and most prestige to its name, the branching opportunities best aligned with what I wanted to do post-graduation, and its values stood to best develop me to be well rounded. I will qualify all of this by saying that I could have given USNA more of a chance, and I didn't look into it nearly as much as I looked into USAFA or USMA.
I really appreciate your answers today. West Point and USAFA have switched between my 1st and 2nd choice a lot. Your point about choosing WP because of its physical and leadership challenges is very interesting to me. WP has given me an LOA which I would guess is based on my academics as my other areas are good but not outstanding. I would like to have these areas challenged and improved. I only wish I could use my overnight visit...
 
Alight, rapid fire. How are the extra-circulars and clubs at West Point? What about the environment (in the nature sense and cultural)? This one is oddly specific but are there any skiing opportunities? Thank you for your help!
 
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