Drug use

Pmaclax said:
I didn’t think so, i thought usage itself is governed at the local level. But I am just looking to educate myself, and to find any specific sourcing. My oldest is senior in high school with one appointment and one LOA, just looking to continue to guide him in life and back it up so it doesn’t become dad speak being tuned out. Edibles are so readily available to these kids it scares me, not to mention the fentanyl.
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Prior to anyone beginning the application process for either a service academy or NROTC (I don't know about other service branches), the truth is they are governed by state and local laws in terms of drug use. In the states I know of which allow some form of recreational drug use, there are age limits. So, there is always the concern that a person used drugs in violation of those age limits. Because there are just too many states to try and decode on this forum, I won't try.

Putting that aside, when anyone starts filling out their applications, they need to be honest and transparent from day one. We would love to find that everyone obeys every rule. But the service branches are not filled with saints. Never have, likely never will be. Depending on the types of drugs used, and the amount used, those answers will be used by boards and committees to determine who gets accepted, and who gets put aside.

For NROTC, one the first day of our new student orientation, Midshipmen will be asked to sign a form declaring their drug use or their lack thereof. We do this for a couple reasons.......one: making sure the truth was told at initial application, and 2: did something occur over the summer between high school graduation and arriving on campus. As Mr. Mullen stated, if people are reading their applications and forms, none of this is a surprise. Random urinalysis is also not a surprise......other than when the random tests occur.

There is another opportunity for honesty in the process, and that occurs when Midshipmen fill out their security application via the SF86. That form goes into excruciating detail about everything. And people do follow up on these forms, meaning they do go to high schools and ask questions. They ask counselors, students, and friends.

I tell my folks....if you have been playing fast and loose with your answers on forms up to this point, DO NOT lie on the SF86. That form tells you up front that lying is tantamount to a false official statement and is subject to criminal penalties. Has that ever happened? I am not sure, but if I was 18, I wouldn't want to be the test case.

Last point here....while occasional or one time use of marijuana is typically waivered, it is not a guarantee. And even if it is waivered, it can be a deal breaker for highly sought service selection such as the nuclear field, aviation, and some others. When people try to get me to tell them the magic answer on a form so they can try to be just honest enough to get approved, while not being totally honest, my answer is that their "integrity low alarm" is going off, and maybe the career of a commissioned officer isn't for them.
 
Pmaclax said:
I didn’t think so, i thought usage itself is governed at the local level. But I am just looking to educate myself, and to find any specific sourcing. My oldest is senior in high school with one appointment and one LOA, just looking to continue to guide him in life and back it up so it doesn’t become dad speak being tuned out. Edibles are so readily available to these kids it scares me, not to mention the fentanyl.
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While actual criminal penalties for use are (or are not) more of a local thing, the military and a n umber of occupations are required to not use drugs that may be legal for use. All of the Aerospace industry gets something called the "Drug Free Workplace Act" inserted into every contract that is from or in any way supports the US Government. Under the Drug Free Workplace rules, there is a minimum of pre-employment drug screening and many companies continue to utilize both random tests and on demand based on certain events (like accidents). Another industry that I know of is anything to do with mass transportation. At one point I worked for a multinational that manufactured trains and we had both pre-employment screening and frequent random testing of the entire workforce. I saw a number of folks fired for "popping positive" on drug tests there just as I saw in the Navy.
 
It will be hysterical to watch military regs try to catch up once cannabis is legalized at the federal level. And it’s just so hypocritical, given that alcohol is pretty much a cornerstone of the military. It’s coming in the next ten years. We are nicely positioned, portfolio-wise, to retire early once the federal regs are changed. (Hint: look north to Canada now, and get positioned. This will be a once-in-a-lifetime event.)
 
parentalunit2 said:
It will be hysterical to watch military regs try to catch up once cannabis is legalized at the federal level. And it’s just so hypocritical, given that alcohol is pretty much a cornerstone of the military. It’s coming in the next ten years. We are nicely positioned, portfolio-wise, to retire early once the federal regs are changed. (Hint: look north to Canada now, and get positioned. This will be a once-in-a-lifetime event.)
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It started out as hype and hopes no doubt. But now seems to be backed up by data.

CBD or THC seems to offer some protection against covid.
 
Small Team Bacsi said:
It started out as hype and hopes no doubt. But now seems to be backed up by data.

CBD or THC seems to offer some protection against covid.
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LOL my brother sent me a new study on that yesterday.

Also - New Hampshire has a bill to make ivermectin a valid alternative treatment to Covid by law. Some of the criticism I have taken for knowing this stuff for years was unjustified - I have read the studies from all over the world that were censored.

/Back to topic of recreational use discussion.
 
shock-n-awe said:
This is truly saddening.
Lord only knows what and who is flooding through our southern border. Praying for yours and everyone’s safety down there. To make matters worse, the IBCs are being shipped all over the country and spread out from sea to shining sea.
Our Nation must fix this while we still have a Nation!
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No amount of walls, security, policing, courts, prosecutors, etc will ever stop the flow of illegal drugs into the US (or any country for that matter) as long as there is a demand.

Capitalism always wins. Supply & demand. Heroin & cocaine have been illegal in the US for a century. The "war on drugs" has been ongoing for over half a century. Hundreds of billions of dollars spent. Hundreds of thousands imprisoned. Courts & prisons built. Cops & prison guards hired. Budgets always increase, never decrease.

Yet cocaine & heroin are more plentiful than ever and, apparently, never been in higher demand.

Prohibition will never work.
 
There is some misinformation floating in this thread. Possession of marijuana remains a criminal offense under federal law everywhere in the United States. 21 U.S.C. 844.

We are still a nation with dual sovereignty.
 
Example: 18 U.S.C. 922 (g) Legal users of cannabis can not be legal owners of firearms. Grey area between State Law, Federal Law and enforcement.
 
Day-Tripper said:
No amount of walls, security, policing, courts, prosecutors, etc will ever stop the flow of illegal drugs into the US (or any country for that matter) as long as there is a demand.

Capitalism always wins. Supply & demand. Heroin & cocaine have been illegal in the US for a century. The "war on drugs" has been ongoing for over half a century. Hundreds of billions of dollars spent. Hundreds of thousands imprisoned. Courts & prisons built. Cops & prison guards hired. Budgets always increase, never decrease.

Yet cocaine & heroin are more plentiful than ever and, apparently, never been in higher demand.

Prohibition will never work.
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I recently read the book Empire of Pain and thought it was an interesting read about the Sackler Family and their part in the addiction to prescription opioids. A lot of information that I knew, but explained all the connections and the gall of what people will do for money. Many people started on prescription opioids and were lied to about it's addictive nature. By the time the country realized what was going on, we already had a generation addicted to opioids. When there was extra scrutiny in prescriptions, those that were already addicted turned to heroin. The story was so similar to the tobacco companies back in the day. So sad that we as a country seem to allow business to make decisions to make money without the consideration of the impacts on the population.
 
I lost several workers to drug overdose.

Once addicted to opioids- they grabbed heroin because it was cheaper on the street.
 
CatDog99 said:
What's the hint? Retire in Canada?
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Americans can invest in cannabis stocks by buying through Canada. They are mostly dirt cheap at the moment. Put together a nice little portfolio now, then don’t even look at or think about it, and just wait for the magic that will happen when full legalization comes to the US at the federal level. We have many friends in the business, demand for product is unbelievable, and once the floodgates open there will be nothing but money to be made, even for the average everyday investor. Of course, investment tips on the internet are worth exactly what you pay for them. 🤣
 
parentalunit2 said:
Americans can invest in cannabis stocks by buying through Canada. They are mostly dirt cheap at the moment. Put together a nice little portfolio now, then don’t even look at or think about it, and just wait for the magic that will happen when full legalization comes to the US at the federal level. We have many friends in the business, demand for product is unbelievable, and once the floodgates open there will be nothing but money to be made, even for the average everyday investor. Of course, investment tips on the internet are worth exactly what you pay for them. 🤣
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Thanks for clarifying. I was not very quick on the uptake 😂
 
shock-n-awe said:
If you are considering joining the military,
don’t smoke the Devils lettuce
It is illegal and disqualifying
There, that was easy
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This is a post from above in this thread….. “I watched my second semester squad leader, with a pilot slot and 9 weeks from graduation, pop on the test after spring break. He was 9 weeks from graduation, commissioning and flight school… he instead became an E-3 and served his time that way. Zero tolerance is zero tolerance.”

Probably a 22 year old… so I don’t think it’s that easy for 17 and 18 year olds. I personally agree with your premise, but I haven’t been 18 for decades.

The link below is from USMA… WHY CANT IT SAY USE OF MARIJUANA, EVEN IN STATES WHERE LEGAL, IS PROHIBITED? 2.5 pages dedicated to alcohol and barely a mention of drugs.

I think the messaging isn’t at the level it needs to be.

 
I am against legalized marijuana and to be honest i have never tried it or any other drug. Having said that, its ridiculous that a good number of states have it legal and yet for federal purposes its illegal. As a CPA the whole idea of how you are supposed to run a legal marijuana business is contrary to everything we have ever been taught and learned You cant deposit money into banks and when you want to pay state taxes, you basically have to rent an armored car to bring the cash up to the state government offices. Having said that, i have no issue with members of the military being forbidden to indulge in pot, but we need to get the feds and the states together
 
Humey said:
I am against legalized marijuana and to be honest i have never tried it or any other drug. Having said that, its ridiculous that a good number of states have it legal and yet for federal purposes its illegal. As a CPA the whole idea of how you are supposed to run a legal marijuana business is contrary to everything we have ever been taught and learned You cant deposit money into banks and when you want to pay state taxes, you basically have to rent an armored car to bring the cash up to the state government offices. Having said that, i have no issue with members of the military being forbidden to indulge in pot, but we need to get the feds and the states together
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Lol a local CPA was busted years ago because he didn’t report the marijuana sales of his client, who he bought from.

My advice as a CPA - cash. ;)
 
Humey said:
I am against legalized marijuana and to be honest i have never tried it or any other drug. Having said that, its ridiculous that a good number of states have it legal and yet for federal purposes its illegal. As a CPA the whole idea of how you are supposed to run a legal marijuana business is contrary to everything we have ever been taught and learned You cant deposit money into banks and when you want to pay state taxes, you basically have to rent an armored car to bring the cash up to the state government offices. Having said that, i have no issue with members of the military being forbidden to indulge in pot, but we need to get the feds and the states together
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The cash only aspect of the business is fascinating. Those that we know in the biz have some really, really interesting stories to tell. There are now workarounds for payroll to get your employees paid, but the banking side of it really needs to catch up. In addition, cannabis business owners cannot qualify for mortgages or for financial aid for their college aged children. Some day the states and the fed will agree, but sadly we are just not there yet.
 
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