So I have my official separation packet from USMA (academic separation) and am wondering given its content if I am eligible for AFROTC or even enlisting. I received an honorable discharge and a separation code of 202 with a reentry code of N/A. So given this I think I am okay to enlist, though for enrolling in a commissioning program such as AFROTC on one form( DD785) under the section "Evaluation to be considered in the future for determining acceptability for other officer training" I received the mark "3. Should not be considered without weighing the needs of the service against the reasons for this dis-enrollment" This seems to be the middle of the road mark with 1 being "highly recommended" and 4 and 5 being "4. Recommended if physical defects are corrected or if such defects are not disqualifying for other programs" and "5. Definitely not recommended" is the 3 I received the middle of the road and better than the 4 or 5 mark? I was separated for failing a class, a non academic physical education class.
Eligibility for AFROTC given separation from USMA
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Just my guest image, but your chances would be low for AFROTC because of the statement regarding the needs of the AF, and currently, like other branches they are reducing their personnel.
For AFROTC you would enter as a 250 since I assume credit wise you will be a sophomore. The overall selection rate this year was barely over half, and that was after the mini boards held at every det. Thus, statistically it was under 50%. The number even drops lower if you are a non-tech non rated cadet.
You would basically have 1 semester to "prove" yourself to the CoC for SFT support.
My suggestion is you talk to the CoC now and let them advise you on the actual chances of commissioning via AFROTC.
For AFROTC you would enter as a 250 since I assume credit wise you will be a sophomore. The overall selection rate this year was barely over half, and that was after the mini boards held at every det. Thus, statistically it was under 50%. The number even drops lower if you are a non-tech non rated cadet.
You would basically have 1 semester to "prove" yourself to the CoC for SFT support.
My suggestion is you talk to the CoC now and let them advise you on the actual chances of commissioning via AFROTC.
Hi Lolz,
The good news is that leaving a SA is not the end of the world and you do have other options. The bad news is that the other paths to commission are now even more challenging/competitive for you. As Pima and others have said, getting ANY rotc scholarship right now is tight given all of the cuts that are happening. So here are some options to consider...
Sideload-type ROTC scholarships - Basically means going to college on your own dime and joining ROTC as a non-scholarship cadet. Then after re-proving yourself academically and militarily, apply for a ROTC scholarship. It's competitive, but impress your unit with your work ethic, grades, etc and make yourself the guy they have to have.
Join the Guard/Air Guard - This still remains perhaps the "best deal" out there! Because the Guard has both a state and federal role, you qualify for a variety of benefits. As an SA cadet you clearly have an impressive resume and should crush the ASVAB test (which you can prep for even more of course). Here is an example I know of...
As recently as last month there was someone who left an SA and joined Air Guard and got the following:
* 100% Paid tuition at any of the State Schools (varies by state)
* Choice of guaranteed jobs/bases
* 15k signing bonus (prior-enlisted from time at SA), paid after completion of Tech School
* Eligible for both GI Bill and GI Bill Kicker so along with Drill Pay they will be recieving roughly $950/month for the three years they are in school
* Excused from BMT as they had attended BCT at an SA
* Entered as an E3 due to prior time at an SA
* Can commission through the Guard far more reliably than through the AD OCS process
And of course all of this for one weekend a month plus two weeks a year (not counting Tech School). Crazy good opportunity for sure!
The downside? If you were set on going AD, then the path IS harder as you must transfer from Guard to AD based on the needs of the branch. In other words, if your MOS/AFSC is not what they need at the time.... good luck.
In any case, you do still have options so don't give up on your desire to serve!
The good news is that leaving a SA is not the end of the world and you do have other options. The bad news is that the other paths to commission are now even more challenging/competitive for you. As Pima and others have said, getting ANY rotc scholarship right now is tight given all of the cuts that are happening. So here are some options to consider...
Sideload-type ROTC scholarships - Basically means going to college on your own dime and joining ROTC as a non-scholarship cadet. Then after re-proving yourself academically and militarily, apply for a ROTC scholarship. It's competitive, but impress your unit with your work ethic, grades, etc and make yourself the guy they have to have.
Join the Guard/Air Guard - This still remains perhaps the "best deal" out there! Because the Guard has both a state and federal role, you qualify for a variety of benefits. As an SA cadet you clearly have an impressive resume and should crush the ASVAB test (which you can prep for even more of course). Here is an example I know of...
As recently as last month there was someone who left an SA and joined Air Guard and got the following:
* 100% Paid tuition at any of the State Schools (varies by state)
* Choice of guaranteed jobs/bases
* 15k signing bonus (prior-enlisted from time at SA), paid after completion of Tech School
* Eligible for both GI Bill and GI Bill Kicker so along with Drill Pay they will be recieving roughly $950/month for the three years they are in school
* Excused from BMT as they had attended BCT at an SA
* Entered as an E3 due to prior time at an SA
* Can commission through the Guard far more reliably than through the AD OCS process
And of course all of this for one weekend a month plus two weeks a year (not counting Tech School). Crazy good opportunity for sure!
The downside? If you were set on going AD, then the path IS harder as you must transfer from Guard to AD based on the needs of the branch. In other words, if your MOS/AFSC is not what they need at the time.... good luck.
In any case, you do still have options so don't give up on your desire to serve!
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Pima
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I agree with MedB to a point.
AFROTC is not like other ROTC programs. SFT is a must have to become a POC in AFROTC.
~ You cannot commission without becoming a POC for at LEAST 3 semesters. You can't become a POC without attending/graduating SFT.
I also would contact the Guard/Reserves....but... understand that previous to this new announcement (July), every AFROTC grad would go ADAF upon commissioning. It was not like AROTC with Guard/Reserve option. Like the AF Army ratio they are much smaller. I am not sure that with this announcement this option will be optimal. You will also be competing against enlisted in the unit ...similar to SFT, but now for OTS.
~~~ OTS has two boards a year.
It is a great option if you don't want to go ADAF, or rated.
AFROTC is not like other ROTC programs. SFT is a must have to become a POC in AFROTC.
~ You cannot commission without becoming a POC for at LEAST 3 semesters. You can't become a POC without attending/graduating SFT.
I also would contact the Guard/Reserves....but... understand that previous to this new announcement (July), every AFROTC grad would go ADAF upon commissioning. It was not like AROTC with Guard/Reserve option. Like the AF Army ratio they are much smaller. I am not sure that with this announcement this option will be optimal. You will also be competing against enlisted in the unit ...similar to SFT, but now for OTS.
~~~ OTS has two boards a year.
It is a great option if you don't want to go ADAF, or rated.
Things may certainly change with the new announcements about AFROTC. But remember unlike AD, there can be HUGE variations between Guard units and the jobs available.... because they are state-based and don't (typically) PCS folks around to fill slots.
For example, I know for certain there are at least two Guard units that are still tryng to recruit for pilots quite vigorously. So if you want heavies, and if you happen to live in that state/area then it may be in fact EASIER to get a rated slot than through AD. On the flipside, a particular Guard unit might have all the Linguists they could possibly need... So even if the AD as a whole is critically short on them, you won't get that slot and training through that particular Guard unit. Period.
The point is, that is a key difference with the Guard/Air Guard vs Active... Things are far more variable in terms of available roles so you really want to work with your local recruiter to see what's possible for the particular unit you are interested in.
Hope this helps and good luck!
For example, I know for certain there are at least two Guard units that are still tryng to recruit for pilots quite vigorously. So if you want heavies, and if you happen to live in that state/area then it may be in fact EASIER to get a rated slot than through AD. On the flipside, a particular Guard unit might have all the Linguists they could possibly need... So even if the AD as a whole is critically short on them, you won't get that slot and training through that particular Guard unit. Period.
The point is, that is a key difference with the Guard/Air Guard vs Active... Things are far more variable in terms of available roles so you really want to work with your local recruiter to see what's possible for the particular unit you are interested in.
Hope this helps and good luck!
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You are correct MedB, it is variable.
However, it is a numbers game regarding personnel. Guard/Reserve have a budget. If AFROTC starts this "Go the Guard/Reserve route" for commissioning purposes that means there will be less slots available for O1s these options within in the Guard.
Talk to a CoC. SFT selection is 50% of the WCS for SFT.
Sorry, but right now I feel you need to talk to them and ignore our opinions/advice. Our posts/guidance will mean squat come SFT. Additionally, we are not in the KNOW regarding how the new AFROTC commissioning will impact you.
~ This is the 1st I have seen in my life since 1987 that will follow the AROTC program...Guard/Reserve option.
I am betting my beloved Mytle that Guard and Reserve units are being influxed with people applying.
However, it is a numbers game regarding personnel. Guard/Reserve have a budget. If AFROTC starts this "Go the Guard/Reserve route" for commissioning purposes that means there will be less slots available for O1s these options within in the Guard.
Talk to a CoC. SFT selection is 50% of the WCS for SFT.
Sorry, but right now I feel you need to talk to them and ignore our opinions/advice. Our posts/guidance will mean squat come SFT. Additionally, we are not in the KNOW regarding how the new AFROTC commissioning will impact you.
~ This is the 1st I have seen in my life since 1987 that will follow the AROTC program...Guard/Reserve option.
I am betting my beloved Mytle that Guard and Reserve units are being influxed with people applying.
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im signed up for both AS 100 and AS 200 at the university I am set to attend, should I email them before classes start or just go to the detachment in person and talk to them a couple days before classes start so they are clear on my situation? Or should I just wait til the first day of class?
You're going to have to talk to them about the following anyway. Might as well email them all your details and request a face to face prior to the beginning of classes. This will give the Detachmnet Commander a chance to review your records and provide an accurate evaluation of what your chances are.
http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?t=38176
http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?t=38176