Enlisted to USMMA

Discussion in 'Merchant Marine Academy - USMMA' started by cmsullivan18, Nov 9, 2018 at 10:57 PM.

  1. cmsullivan18

    cmsullivan18 Member

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    Can anyone give me some information about enlisting in the Navy then seeking an appointment to USMMA? After one semester of college I am considering enlisting in the Navy. It is my dream to go to USMMA and commission as an officer. After enlisting and graduating from boot camp can I get an appointment to USMMA and go there? I met someone at USNA during summer seminar and that is how he got into the Annapolis.
     
  2. Capt MJ

    Capt MJ 10-Year Member

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    Yes, going from enlisted to a Service Academy can be a path, but it is the long way around, and much can happen along the way to divert you from your path.

    Why not apply in the normal manner from college? Take a plebe-like core curriculum and do well, get your noms, build a strong package.

    If you want to be a Navy Officer, why not apply direct to USNA?

    And, while USMMA produces top quality officers for all Services, that is not the primary mission of USMMA. If you haven’t read every page, dropdown and link on their website, I recommend it.

    If your goal is to become a Navy Officer, you can also transfer to a college with NROTC - and apply to USNA or USMMA from there.

    If your dream is truly USMMA and taking the path to a commission there, try going direct first. If it’s too late to get it all together to apply this year, buckle down and put together a strong year of college performance, and map out your application process for next year. Many SA appointees are college applicants, so you wouldn’t be the class graybeard.
     
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  3. Jmoney457

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    This is wrong. USMMA has a dual mission, one aspect of that is graduating licensed merchant marine officers and the other is to develop commissioned officers. Each graduate is a commissioned officer whether in a reserve component or on active duty. So that is incorrect...commissioning officers is one of the primary missions of the school.
     
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    Capt MJ 10-Year Member

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    You are right, I did not say that as accurately as I could. It’s included in the mission statement, and as someone who had the honor of working with many KP grads over the years, both AD and Reserve officers in the sealift units, I know the quality.

    Thank you for the clear and unblinded correction!
     
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    Another recent development of note is that for anyone who desires an active duty SWO career, USMMA grads are sought after by the Navy because of their practical training and Coast Guard licence. As the Navy works to improve its own training and safety record after recent collisions, USMMA trained SWOs are in high demand.
     
  6. Jmoney457

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    This is opinionated and factually incorrect. The Navy's personnel requirement for accessions changes on a yearly basis. The number of SWOs required for accession fluctuates with the needs of the service. SWOs are in high demand right now not just from USMMA, but in general. You can even see online job advertisements from the OCS Newport, RI for SWO. A USCG License means nothing to the Navy, since the Navy is exempt from almost all shipping reg's and STCW conventions. The Navy has its own system for qualifying deck watch officers, no onerous KP degree required.
     
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    kpmom2013 5-Year Member

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    JMoney457-- Just let me say that I am confident that I have considerably more inside knowledge on this topic than you and I stand by my previous post. I will not comment further, however, and will take care to forego taking this thread in a direction that is not productive.
     
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    KPEngineer Eternal Father ... 5-Year Member

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    I would suggest that KPMom's point was not that the license itself is necessary but that it is seen as evidence of a level of knowledge, skill and ability in seamanship and "mariner-ness" that the Navy has let lapse.
     
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    The Navy's core competency is fighting wars, not seamanship. A SWO is not a mariner, and his or her focus is not marine trans or nautical science. The SWO needs to have a basic level of knowledge so that he does not cause a collision or allision, and I guess nothing more or less.
     
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    I can assure you that I’m not as smart as I thought I was when I was a newish graduate and would bet that holds true for most of us.

    Since the end of WWII the number of actual battles at sea has been few. A core competency of a SWO is seamanship, a second core competency is fighting the ship. Which one have they needed more in the last 50+ years?
     
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    Jmoney. Knowledge from inside the "bubble" of academia and KP is not knowledge of the world outside academia and KP. Commenting in ways that sound like absolutes on things outside of KP when you are still at KP may require some additional experience.
     
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    KPEngineer Eternal Father ... 5-Year Member

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    The Navy disagrees with you. This was one of the key take aways from the McCain and Fitzgerald incidents.

    USS FITZGERALD

    The collision between Fitzgerald and Crystal was avoidable and resulted from an accumulation of smaller errors over time, ultimately resulting in a lack of adherence to sound navigational practices. Specifically, Fitzgerald's watch teams disregarded established norms of basic contact management and, more importantly, leadership failed to adhere to well-established protocols put in place to prevent collisions. In addition, the ship's triad was absent during an evolution where their experience, guidance and example would have greatly benefited the ship.

    USS JOHN S. MCCAIN

    The collision between John S. McCain and Alnic MC was also avoidable and resulted primarily from complacency, over-confidence and lack of procedural compliance. A major contributing factor to the collision was sub-standard level of knowledge regarding the operation of the ship control console. In particular, McCain's commanding officer disregarded recommendations from his executive officer, navigator and senior watch officer to set sea and anchor watch teams in a timely fashion to ensure the safe and effective operation of the ship. With regard to procedures, no one on the Bridge watch team, to include the commanding officer and executive officer, were properly trained on how to correctly operate the ship control console during a steering casualty.

    https://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=103130