Finances as a 4 degree

Ryan; go back to my serenity prayer. You say that $1500 is your goal. Do you think you can change your goal to $3000? Do you think you can get it to $6000? Just set your goal to whatever you do, and do your best at reaching your goal. There are things in life you can change and things you can't. And knowing the difference means to just do your best. If all you can save is $1500; does it matter if it's "Too Low"?

Here's the hardcore truth. There are some students at the academy who's appointment was their ONLY way out to a better life. They literally came to the academy with the money in their wallet. Couple hundred dollars. They survived. They did well in school. They still found ways to have fun and enjoy the experience. Even the experiences that cost money. The truth is, you really don't need any money more than what they pay you. $150 a month doesn't sound like much, but you really don't need it for anything. Any trips downtown, movies, a pizza or sub once in a while, etc... is plenty of money. You'll be fine whether you have $200 in the bank or $2000. Why? Because I have faith in you. Anyone that has the capability to get into the air force academy is a very formidable person. You are resourceful. You are optimistic. You find the good around you. You'll do fine. Set you goal and enjoy the rest of the year. later.... mike....

There is something about the advice you give that makes everything seem like it will be okay. I really appreciate these posts. The problem is, I like to live above my means. I know at the AFA, that will end very quickly, but I just want to have fun, and that takes money. Hopefully it will all work out..
 
13ryan13, some comments from the salty side.
Hear hear on Christcorp's comment about those coming to the academy with no money in their wallet. You will be better off than some, worse off than others, and it's amazing how much fun you can have on fairly few dollars. Control the impulse spending, put yourself on a budget and use the same discipline that got you this far on your cash flow, so if you want an expensive spring break trip, or ski gear or whatever that's a "want" and not a "need," develop a plan to save for it. Take advantage of the free stuff.

Sea story. We sponsored a USNA midshipman, class of '00. Grew up in a 2 bedroom trailer, one parent, 5 siblings. No money. Couldn't afford to fly home for Christmas, so we drove him to car rental place to get an econo-car with no drop-off charges, and he drove the 15 hours home. Did the same on the way back. Spent many Thanksgivings and other holidays with us. Budgeted carefully for both "needs" and "wants." Finally bought a car spring of 1/C year, a good used model. Had a successful career in the Marines for 6 years in the Finance MOS. Took that experience and the same disciplined approach he used as a midshipman and is now a successful certified financial planner, owns a single family home in SoCal, a nice car, well advanced in his financial status, all before the age of 30. The military, especially the SA launching pad, is an amazing start to your life and can quickly even out the advantages some may be born into.
Good luck to you.
 
Excellent advice capt MJ. Unfortunately, there are some that have no education in finances. They don't know how to save. They don't know how to budget. There's some that think they are suppose to, and be "entitled" to the luxuries and pleasures that their parents have; and they had by default at home. They don't realize that most people start their life off much poorer than they appear currently. It quite common come the C2C/C1C year when cadets get most of their money each month, that they start a spending spree. Many go out and buy new cars. They have their $400 a month car payments and $200 a month for car insurance. Then they are back to the same amount; or less; that they had when they were a C4C. It's not uncommon for my son to be able to "Borrow" a lot of people's cars at the academy if he wants to go downtown. Many leave them parked because they don't have the money to pay for gas.

Now; if you picked up that 5 year old used car; either in cash or for a small monthly payment; e.g. $250. And possibly "Borrow" the money either from a parent or as a signature loan instead of a "Car loan"; then you could get away with liability insurance instead of full coverage. But even so; full coverage on a $5000 used car is a lot less than full coverage on a $25,000 new car. Then you have $300+ a month to save, buy gas, ski trips, etc... Don't feel like you HAVE TO have a new car.

Also; when you graduate, you will have access to an almost 0% loan up to; I believe it's $35,000. Don't use this on a new car. It's tempting, but very bad advice. There's a lot of good things to spend $35,000 on. Especially at a very low interest rate. Remember; the loan; even if it was 0% is paid back in the first 5 years. That's $583 a month. There is a little interest, so just assume $600 a month for 5 years. now, considering you will be a 2Lt making quite a bit more than you are now, it's still money that you'll need to pay rent, buy furniture, maybe you're getting married, stereo, computer, and everything else that is part of life. now; I definitely think a $35,000 load at almost 0% interest, is a great deal. You should take advantage of it. If you use it to purchase a good USED car, furniture, set up an apartment, get married, etc... that would be worth the $600 a month. You're probably going to have to spend that anyway. Or; you could go to the farther extreme. If you took that $35,000 and put it into a secure bank CD; making 5%; if you let it sit there forever and FORGET ABOUT IT. (Until you're 62 years old); it will compound and be worth $257,544.61. You could basically have your entire retirement (Plus whatever you get from your career in the military or private company); and you'd be set for life. You'd almost not HAVE TO save monthly in more RISKY retirement investments like 401K and such. There are a lot of very safe investments. They don't pay a high interest; e.g. 5%; but if you have TIME on your hand, which you do when starting at 22 years old; then it can be great. But this is the extreme on what to use the money for. Unfortunately, there's some that will spend almost all of it on a new car that is depreciating the minute they drive off the lot. Or they spend it on other items that are disposable. remember; you have a lot of things you will NEED TO BUY when you start off your life after the academy. You WILL pay for these whether you like it or not. Why can signature loans or credit cards when they will give you money almost interest free. Making an instant retirement fund is just the extreme of what you could do.

Anyway; there's a lot of very financially smart cadets at the academy. Most will do well with their finances. But there are those who never learned basic financing. Best of luck.... Mike.....
 
Thanks Cristcorp and Capt MJ. I am content on going with whatever I end up going with. It won't affect anything either way. I just basically wanted to know a good amount to go with to be able to do things like go skiing and seeing movies and such. Budgeting has always been hard for me, because I have 3 jobs and usually never had to worry about it. I assume it is like learning a new language. You can practice all you want, but until you are forced to apply your knowledge and make decisions, (such as in a foreign-language speaking country) you will not be fluent in what you do. I'm probably making no sense right now, but I'd just like to say thanks for all the advice and I'm not so concerned anymore.
 
Haha Ryan, makes sense to me, a little.

Just don't work too much. Enjoy senior year.
 
I have a question concerning taxes. Obviously, at the academy I'll be paying fed taxes. Right now I'm in NC, but when I leave this summer my mom will be moving around. Would it be a better idea then to claim residency in Colorado and pay colorado taxes?
 
Your state of residency is WHERE you enlist from. You can change that later; assuming you have met the state's requirements. (Each state is different). So for now, you are a NC resident. It doesn't matter what your parents do. For tax purposes and such, they don't know who you are any longer. You are on your own for taxes. Unless that first year (When you were a senior in high school for the 1st 6 months) your parents can prove that they spent MORE on you for the year than the air force did. Which I believe the magic number is $35,000. Anyway; as I said. You are a NC resident. Simple as that. You can change it, but ONLY if you meet the in state requirements of the new state. And again; it means nothing where your parents move to. You are no longer their tax deduction. later.... mike.....
 
Hmmm... I'm going to have to invest more than just the $35,000 loan. Just found my dream city to retire in. Houses are over $1 million...
That's doable...:rolleyes:
 
Well, my point was that I won't be living in North Carolina at all, so after Colorado's requirements are met (90 days, I think?) would it be wiser to file for Colorado taxes? And would AFA be my new permanent address?
 
hmmm matt i think i have an idea where this place is. if there's an opening next to tom cruise's house let me know. I hear there's good skiing in the area:rockon:
 
hmmm matt i think i have an idea where this place is. if there's an opening next to tom cruise's house let me know. I hear there's good skiing in the area:rockon:

Heck yeah. Me and Tom are good buddies, so he might be able to get me a deal out there.
 
Well, my point was that I won't be living in North Carolina at all, so after Colorado's requirements are met (90 days, I think?) would it be wiser to file for Colorado taxes? And would AFA be my new permanent address?

Based on 2008 rates for state and local taxes, Colorado is ranked 34th highest at 9%. North Carolina comes in at 20th highest at 9.8%. The difference would be negligible in your paycheck. Remember, it doesn't matter if you live in N.C anymore or not. North Carolina is your state of record for the military, so you are allowed to keep it as your home state regardless of whether you or your parent(s) still maintain a residence there or not. You can, of course, change your state of record with the military anytime that you want, as long as you meet the state's requirements.

I also wanted to correct some info on the loan that was mentioned here. The loan is made available to cadets in the Spring of their 2 degree year, not at graduation as was mentioned. In fact, the 2010s got the info on theirs a couple weeks ago. The loan has different terms and amounts each year, depending on negotiations between the bank and USAFA. Last years loan was $32,500 at .5% interest. This year's offering is $30,000 at 1.5%. It is not necessary to take the loan, but many cadets do. The interest rate is very good. Christcorp had good advice about not blowing it all on a car, but that is exactly what a lot of them do. I even know a 1963 grad who went and spent his loan ($2500 at the time) on a new red Corvair convertible, so the tradition is nothing new.

Stealth_81
 
I got my loan 2 weeks ago. Still haven't touched it. Will be maxing my Roth IRA for 2008 and 2009 with it though.

I enjoy having Texas as my state of residence. NO state taxes. :)
 
NCHopeful; stealth is absolutely correct. When I came in, I was from New Jersey. That was my state of residence. I NEVER moved back there; but it stayed my state of residency for about 10 years until I moved to texas. Then; because they don't have state income tax, I changed my residency to that. I kept that for about another 7 years until I moved to Wyoming. I changed residency there for 3 reasons. 1) Still no state taxes. 2) I planned on retiring there anyway. 3) I really like to hunt, and in state residents have much cheaper hunting licenses. (Even though there is a discount for military).

Point is; your taxes aren't going to change much from NC to CO. It's probably not even worth the effort. Plus; for the first 2 years at the academy; you're not going to be making enough money that it's going to be of any significance. I would just leave it alone. Then; after you graduate the academy, see where the military takes you. If it's a tax free state like Texas or Wyoming; change to that. If it's overseas or a taxes state, then continue to keep it as NC. Remember; it doesn't matter if you EVER LIVE IN NC again. Now; ONCE you get out of the military, then if you live in a state other than NC, you might HAVE to change residence. I.e. Some states have a 2-3 law. MEANING; Drivers License; Registration; and physical address (residency). 2 of the 3 have to be from the same state. So, if you got out of the military and moved to colorado, you might need to change residency. But as long as you are in the military, you are totally exempt. later.... mike.....
 
I got my loan 2 weeks ago. Still haven't touched it. Will be maxing my Roth IRA for 2008 and 2009 with it though. I enjoy having Texas as my state of residence. NO state taxes. :)

Hornet; sounds like you've got a good financial head on your shoulders. later... mike....
 
I got my loan 2 weeks ago. Still haven't touched it. Will be maxing my Roth IRA for 2008 and 2009 with it though.

I enjoy having Texas as my state of residence. NO state taxes. :)
Haha, that's pretty awesome. I heard you can register in any state when you are in the military? Is this true?
 
Do you register as in get RESIDENCY? If so, then you can't just pick any state. You sort of have to live there. I.e. If you move 9 times in the military and live in 9 different states; then you can change your residency to the one you moved to. Even changing it 9 times. But normally; each state is different; you can't just claim any old state if you aren't living there or never lived there. I.e. You can't claim Wyoming if you weren't stationed here. Again; each state has different residency laws.
 
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