Does anyone know how many flight spots were granted to each of the different sevices out of KP for the new class of 2012? (i.e. how many flight spots went to Navy, how many to AF, how many to CG, how many to Army, etc. ) I heard there were fewer fligh spots out of KP this year. Thanks.
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It could be possible, but if you look back class of 2012 was one of the largest classes in recent history. During their yrs of training the DoD has slashed the budget, thus, it could be a manpower need regarding why numbers dropped.
I can't speak for other branches, but I can say as an AFROTC Mom of a 2012 cadet with a UPT slot, it was a bumper crop year for them. His det. had 100% selection rate. I know from other AFROTC posters(ERAU, VT, UND, PSU,etc), his det was not alone in the high selection rate. From what has always been explained to me is the AF does a % breakdown of how many will be offered to each type of commissioning source for that class yr. The AFA has the biggest % rated out of that pool. If the AFA cadets do not use up all of those slots, the remaining amount is now added towards the % of the other sources, this is to insure the UPT/UNT/CSO/ABM/UAV pipeline has the right amount at all times. This yr. it has been stated by AFA12 posters that the AFA did not use up all of their slots. Hence, why it was a bumper crop for AFROTC. Next yr. because of manpower needs, and if the AFA cadets go rated, it could be a barren year for other commissioning sources.
It can change that quickly.
I hope that helps you somehow to understand there is a lot that goes into the system, and that not to worry or use last years numbers as a reason to go Navy, CG, or AF.
If it was me, I would ask a different question. Not what the numbers were, but the percentages. 50 from the Navy sounds better than 30 from the AF and 25 from CG, but the fact is the Navy is the largest of all 3, and statistically I would think 25 from the CG is a higher amount given to the MMA.
I would follow that question up with what is the % of those that applied got it. CG may have a higher percentage given, but if more apply to CG than Navy or AF, you maybe looking at a more competitive pool.
Again, alot goes into this equation.
I can't speak for other branches, but I can say as an AFROTC Mom of a 2012 cadet with a UPT slot, it was a bumper crop year for them. His det. had 100% selection rate. I know from other AFROTC posters(ERAU, VT, UND, PSU,etc), his det was not alone in the high selection rate. From what has always been explained to me is the AF does a % breakdown of how many will be offered to each type of commissioning source for that class yr. The AFA has the biggest % rated out of that pool. If the AFA cadets do not use up all of those slots, the remaining amount is now added towards the % of the other sources, this is to insure the UPT/UNT/CSO/ABM/UAV pipeline has the right amount at all times. This yr. it has been stated by AFA12 posters that the AFA did not use up all of their slots. Hence, why it was a bumper crop for AFROTC. Next yr. because of manpower needs, and if the AFA cadets go rated, it could be a barren year for other commissioning sources.
It can change that quickly.
I hope that helps you somehow to understand there is a lot that goes into the system, and that not to worry or use last years numbers as a reason to go Navy, CG, or AF.
If it was me, I would ask a different question. Not what the numbers were, but the percentages. 50 from the Navy sounds better than 30 from the AF and 25 from CG, but the fact is the Navy is the largest of all 3, and statistically I would think 25 from the CG is a higher amount given to the MMA.
I would follow that question up with what is the % of those that applied got it. CG may have a higher percentage given, but if more apply to CG than Navy or AF, you maybe looking at a more competitive pool.
Again, alot goes into this equation.
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The numbers are considerably less than might be suggested by "Pima." The Navy accepted six graduates as pilots. I know that at least one of the three going USMC will go flight. Only two commissioned AF - not sure what jobs they accepted. I do not know how many USCG will fly. However, for the Army, all that requested Aviation and met all the requirements were branched Aviation - a total of six.
Each service does it slightly different, but from my conversations with the other service reps I do not believe that any of us receive a fixed number of slots for flight. There is a board process for most flight applicants and if they meet the requirements the can be offered a flight slot. The number of graduates that go active duty from USMMA is so small that it doesn't pay to allocate a percentage of overall slots to this school.
Each service does it slightly different, but from my conversations with the other service reps I do not believe that any of us receive a fixed number of slots for flight. There is a board process for most flight applicants and if they meet the requirements the can be offered a flight slot. The number of graduates that go active duty from USMMA is so small that it doesn't pay to allocate a percentage of overall slots to this school.
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That was why I was saying don't look at the numbers, instead look at the statistics. I just threw numbers out to illustrate one branch may have many more slots, but at the same time their pool may be much larger, thus statistically their chances may be lower than the branch with fewer slots.
Sorry if that created confusion, it was not my intention to say these were the numbers, as I said it was my intention that if the question is chancing, or if one branch hands out more slots, the sheer number isn't as important as the percentage.
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All good points and good information.
Also re: Navy Commissions for USMMA Class of 2012 - I don't have numbers but was anecdotally told by my DS and a couple of his 2012 Classmates that more USMMA 2012 grads who went Active Duty got Aviation spots than got Surface Warfare Slots this past year.
Also re: Navy Commissions for USMMA Class of 2012 - I don't have numbers but was anecdotally told by my DS and a couple of his 2012 Classmates that more USMMA 2012 grads who went Active Duty got Aviation spots than got Surface Warfare Slots this past year.