USMAROTCFamily
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Dear Potential Drunk And/Or Horny 20 Year Olds (ie most people),
Like most things in life, if it looks too good to be true it probably is. Investment opportunities, awesome job offers, proposals from Nigerian princes, and no-strings sex are not always as stringless as promised. Have some fun, take some risks, even be willfully stupid on occasion, but know that the downside can be far worse than your invincible adolescent brain is willing to believe. We can all laugh at the dumb-a** that loses his money in a hair-brained scheme (hare brained? that seems to work too...) but believe the middle-aged folk when they warn about how drunk driving or drunk fighting or drunk sex can end so, so badly. And I'm not necessarily talking about the stitches or pregnancies either.
These stories just depress me. I'm not going to comment on the particulars of this case, but it illustrates my whole point pretty clearly: things get murky really fast when booze is involved and memories are impaired. Once you get pulled into the legal system on this sort of case you can never know what's going to happen, so you leave yourself open to a lot of things you can't control at all. I made it through to my fifties without a ton of trouble, but I'm not sure I'd have been so lucky these days. There are safe(r) ways to be drunk and stupid, and mostly they revolve about taking care of yourself and your friends when you run around.
You tell your sons not to drink?I tell my sons, understand the UCMJ, don't drink or do drugs
Kind of piggy backing on Impulsive here. A factual insufficiency finding indicates that the Appellate panel found that the evidence presented at the time of trial did not meet the burden that each element of the charged offenses were proven beyond a reasonable doubt. In other words, the question they addressed was was there evidence to support each element of the prosecutors charge beyond a reasonable doubt. The appellate finding should not be viewed as a set back for women's rights, or that the appellate court erred because the trial court found one way that has been overturned as jebdad argues. The ruling should be viewed as a victory, for women and men. For the future victims and accused. In this instance (while i did not read the opinion) it appears that the panel found that the element of lack of consent was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt. The ruling holds the prosecution to the high standard of proving their case. If anyone is upset at this finding, your anger should be directed at the prosecution, who failed to present evidence to overcome his high burden of beyond a reasonable doubt; not at the panel who is upholding those standards. This ruling should be seen as a victory for future victims if it compels the prosecution to perform a better investigation, put on better evidence, try a better case, and, weeds out complaints that are suspect. This would result in credible victims being believed more often. Prosecutors seldom lose because they only bring cases where they have the compelling evidence to win. In those instances where they lack the compelling evidence, prosecutors need to dig deeper into the case, and actually work to prove it. Prosecutors are, at times, complacent because of the fact that charges are seldom brought in cases where there is not compelling evidence, or, where there is compelling evidence as to the defense or in contradiction to an element of the crime. Holding the prosecution accountable, as in this case, should result in stronger prosecutions in the future. Is there a burden on the victim--yes, and there should be so that we are ensured that the victim's allegations are credible, but that burden is supposed to be borne by the prosecutor, who hopefully will bring a better case. Is this better for the accused, yes, because it stands for the proposition that all accused are entitled to their day in court, and that their guilt be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Maybe it will prevent trial courts from being swayed by public sentiment, if that had any bearing on this matter.
The appellate panel is the internal check and balance of the judicial system. We should celebrate the fact that the checks and balances are in place, and, this is one of those instances. This is not about that they ruled on this case as they did. This is about the checks and balances of the system working.
I would hope the cadet returned to WP, although it would be difficult for him to do so.
My civics class was so long ago I must have forgotten that the accused had to prove themselves innocent of all charges.
Unfortunately, the fallacy that today's society has is that a criminal trial is guilt or innocence. It is not. The only job a prosecutor has is to prove guilt. A defense attorney's job is not to prove innocence, it is to prove that at least one element of a crime has not been proved beyond a reasonable doubt. The system is not perfect but, was set up on the theory that it is better to allow a guilty man go free than to incarcerate an innocent man. Franklin said it, but it was copied from others long before the US was found.
jebdad said:I wish I could embrace your robust endorsement of the process. As someone with no legal expertise and just a common guy, I find it hard to feel good about it. The victim finds out about the appeal and the decision through social media. What kind of detailed process is this? The cadet returning to WP can't be any more difficult than the victim shaming face to face and behind her back that took place the last two years.