Graduation Fact Sheet: c/o 2023

8 cross commissioned! Isn't that more than typical? I believe in decades past cross commissioning required a 1 for 1 "trade" in a way with the other service academies. Is that the case currently?
 
SOLL said:
8 cross commissioned! Isn't that more than typical? I believe in decades past cross commissioning required a 1 for 1 "trade" in a way with the other service academies. Is that the case currently?
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Perhaps the attrition rate across commissioning sources this fiscal year was lower than planned, and the O-1 yield was higher, Big AF had the leeway to let some leave the fold. “The need of the Air Force” was to let them go. If it wasn’t, it wouldn’t happen.
 
907 US USAFA grads seems lower than typical also though. And was my assumption about a 1 for 1 exchange ever correct?
 
Maybe a dumb question but is there ever any cross commissioning into the Coast Guard?
 
921 walked the stage. Reports 919 graduating. Quite possible this list was made before Grad keep that in mind.
 
I was fortunate enough to work with 2 of the 3 cadets who cross-commissioned into the Navy from USAFA this year and learned a lot about the current process.

There were 9 initial applicants for Cross Commissioning into the Navy for the class of 2023 but only 3 completed their applications and all 3 were accepted. The process was slow and the cadets didn't find out until 2 weeks before graduation that their cross-commission was approved.

It appeared from the communications I was fortunate enough to see, that the decision was less about the Air Force but rather did the Navy have slots in the requested jobs the cadets wanted and did the Navy want the specific cadet. In these three cases, each cadet was in the top 1/3 of the graduating class and was moving into areas of need for the Navy so there were open slots and interest in the individual cadet.

This pattern seems to be more the norm for the past few cycles. The idea of a 1-for-1 trade seems to no longer be the hard standard. This may be a temporary change due to the recruiting woes over the past few years.

@jeffinCharlotte - XC to the USCG is extremely rare due to DHS vs DOD funding the education. Unlike the Army, Navy, and Marines, there are no USCG Squadron Commanders in the cadet wing to work with and coordinate any XC requests. I believe the couple who have made the jump all spent a semester at USCGA and were able to initiate the request from there.
 
Thanks BBQ,

Most of us layman didn't even know you could do this at all. This sparked my curiosity because my daughter wants to apply for the cadet exchange from USAFA to USCGA for a semester. Also just this year I had a former CAP cadet who just graduated from the USMMA and commissioned into the Air Force and will be going to UPT to become a pilot. I had no idea stuff like that (although rare) even existed until my daughter was at USAFA.
 
Great. Thanks for the info.

Any idea what those 3 Navy cross commissioners are headed for? Surface Warfare, Subs, etc....?
 
Great info.. Thanks! Any other data on the breakdown of the 500ish non-rated and what specialties they went into?
 
jeffinCharlotte said:
Thanks BBQ,

Most of us layman didn't even know you could do this at all. This sparked my curiosity because my daughter wants to apply for the cadet exchange from USAFA to USCGA for a semester. Also just this year I had a former CAP cadet who just graduated from the USMMA and commissioned into the Air Force and will be going to UPT to become a pilot. I had no idea stuff like that (although rare) even existed until my daughter was at USAFA.
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USMMA grads can commission into any service, iirc.
 
jeffinCharlotte said:
Yes but a pilot slot from USMMA just for some reason baffled me. Was a group of like 5 that got it. Never knew!
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Very common for USMMA grads to get pilot spots. This is one of the reasons my DS chose USMMA over the USAFA. The USMMA has the most options available at graduation among all the service academies. It's definitely the SA that is most unknown and overlooked. I encourage those applying to any/all SA to learn about USMMA.
 
Is the attrition rate on par with prior years? 19% seems a bit high...thoughts
 
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It was a little higher than in previous years.

This was the Doolie class that was sent home during COVID in the middle of recognition, missed much of the Summer activities between 4/c and 3/c years, and came back to heavy lockdowns in the dorms, mask mandates, and remote learning from your dorm room. They had quite a few not come back from the initial COVIDcation and a larger than usual number decide to separate after their 3/c year.

I have not seen the numbers, but I suspect the c/o 2024 will be similar as their Doolie year was during the lockdown year and I have heard that their attrition after year one was also higher than average.
 
BBQ-Devil said:
I was fortunate enough to work with 2 of the 3 cadets who cross-commissioned into the Navy from USAFA this year and learned a lot about the current process.

There were 9 initial applicants for Cross Commissioning into the Navy for the class of 2023 but only 3 completed their applications and all 3 were accepted. The process was slow and the cadets didn't find out until 2 weeks before graduation that their cross-commission was approved.

It appeared from the communications I was fortunate enough to see, that the decision was less about the Air Force but rather did the Navy have slots in the requested jobs the cadets wanted and did the Navy want the specific cadet. In these three cases, each cadet was in the top 1/3 of the graduating class and was moving into areas of need for the Navy so there were open slots and interest in the individual cadet.

This pattern seems to be more the norm for the past few cycles. The idea of a 1-for-1 trade seems to no longer be the hard standard. This may be a temporary change due to the recruiting woes over the past few years.

@jeffinCharlotte - XC to the USCG is extremely rare due to DHS vs DOD funding the education. Unlike the Army, Navy, and Marines, there are no USCG Squadron Commanders in the cadet wing to work with and coordinate any XC requests. I believe the couple who have made the jump all spent a semester at USCGA and were able to initiate the request from there.
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For what it's worth, my son considered cross commissioning at USMA; however, since he didn't want to be considered a "second class cadet" (another way of saying - Not loyal to the army) for the remainder of his time at USMA, he opted not to try. IMHO, he would have been a better match for the USAF. I think that he now realizes that I may have been correct. Oh well, we live and we learn.
 
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