Had there been a shutdown - what happens at USNA (math department version)

USNA_STEM_Prof

USNA_STEM_Prof

USN CDR / USNA PROF 2024 / NROTC 2005 / Prior E
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I saw a lot of threads about what would happen had there been a shutdown. From speaking with a future peer in the math department I gained some insight and am posting to alleviate questions in the future.

Civilian professors would be furloughed and MILFAC would have been all-hands-on-deck, focusing on the core courses to ensure there's continued instruction, presumably to preserve the academic base for the junior midshipmen. Upper-level major courses transition to study halls, with accountability provided by MILFAC and TAD Ensigns.

It was a full-blown planning exercise to ensure maximal instruction and academic success given the constraints imposed by a shutdown. I think it is safe to assume that office hours and MILFAC availability would have increased, though that increase can't fully overcome losing all the civilian instruction. Anecdotal, but my wife asked me what I'd do to which I responded "Live at my desk until my students turn in for the night."
 
Not out of the woods yet. The present situation with the speaker ousting don’t help matters. Now that’s the focus…no one knows what’s happening. And the next shut down is on the horizon.

What a circus, no matter your political affiliation. Keep those teaching plans handy!!
 
justdoit19 said:
Not out of the woods yet. The present situation with the speaker ousting don’t help matters. Now that’s the focus…no one knows what’s happening. And the next shut down is on the horizon.

What a circus, no matter your political affiliation. Keep those teaching plans handy!!
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I wasn't meaning to imply all is fine and dandy, or out of the woods as you put it @justdoit19, as I have no doubt I'll be teaching through some shutdowns during my time at USNA. Was just wanting to provide some clarity since I observed a moderate degree of supposition here.
 
USNA_STEM_Prof said:
I wasn't meaning to imply all is fine and dandy, or out of the woods as you put it @justdoit19, as I have no doubt I'll be teaching through some shutdowns during my time at USNA. Was just wanting to provide some clarity since I observed a moderate degree of supposition here.
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Oh gosh appreciate the real info! I was posting in shock of the newest ‘historical’ actives in DC. Didn’t mean to sound dismissive at all. Hard to get across intention with typing.

It’s great insight, that will settle parents/readers nerves. I’ve also been though it with my oldest. Who graduated on time. And like all things, it works out. The SA’s have been though it before, and will got through it again.

Appreciate the share very much.
 
USNA_STEM_Prof said:
I wasn't meaning to imply all is fine and dandy, or out of the woods as you put it @justdoit19, as I have no doubt I'll be teaching through some shutdowns during my time at USNA. Was just wanting to provide some clarity since I observed a moderate degree of supposition here.
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Thank you for the gouge! I trust the source! :w00t: I was concerned because DS has only 2 MILFAC and the others are all civilians. He told me that for every day there was a shut down there was likely going to be leave lost. He wasn't happy about that. And it wasn't going to be that great for everyone! Tough situation!
 
Thanks for the post - pretty much what was said on this forum and elsewhere. With one of the two political parties in disarray we can be assured that the current CR will expire into a full blown Shut Down that will not be a trivial one. The patients are running the asylum.
 
Alchemist said:
Thanks for the post - pretty much what was said on this forum and elsewhere. With one of the two political parties in disarray we can be assured that the current CR will expire into a full blown Shut Down that will not be a trivial one. The patients are running the asylum.
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Not sure I agree with all that.
 
Parent1stTimer said:
He told me that for every day there was a shut down there was likely going to be leave lost. He wasn't happy about that.
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Beware of "mid rumors" which are pretty much like the "kid rumors" from elementary school days. I do get it. . . their squad leader's roommate's friend heard it from their friend who talked to a guy in steerage who had just been outside the Dant's office when he was meeting with Bill the Goat and Philo McGiffin's great grandson and told them of the plan.
FYI, every time there is a random military action anywhere in the world, SOMEONE hears a rumor that the firsties are being considered for immediate commissioning as was done in WWI and WWII.

Bottom Line: Unless its been formally promulgated in a document from the Supe, I would tend to disbelieve it.
 
Great info @USNA_STEM_Prof . DS had a civilian instructor who was working hard to make sure their students had all available lessons/videos/links ahead of the impending 30 Sept shutdown. They did indicate they couldn't answer emails, that part was a bit odd to me. But, luckily, the can was kicked down the road for now.
 
Heatherg21 said:
They did indicate they couldn't answer emails, that part was a bit odd to me.
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Yeah, the civilians can technically get in trouble for working. It seems silly to me but I don't make the rules either. I know it stems from the notion that the powers that be want no opportunity for pressure to encourage unpaid work, but this is an instance where there's no room for nuance.
 
We were going to be allowed to look at our email subject lines to see if there was any new news related to a furlough, for about 5 minutes a day. Or for supervisors to process travel orders. Otherwise, no touchy .......
 
And for those playing along, this ^^^ was for a different government Agency, not specific to the USNA teachers.
 
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