How competitive is Boys State?

Mittens9202

Prospective Midshipman, Class of '29
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I'm having a really good feeling about my standings so far for USNA, and I'm looking to go to Boys State and add that to my resume. I've done Boy Scouts as a kid but left in sixth grade since our local troop was.... less than stellar. I've been able to make strides in other areas, but there's a gaping whole where Boy Scouts used to be. I'm thinking of goung to Boys State and wondering if attendence in the event is a good substitute for Boy Scouts, and how competitive Boys State is overall for a USNA applicaton.
 
I'm having a really good feeling about my standings so far for USNA, and I'm looking to go to Boys State and add that to my resume. I've done Boy Scouts as a kid but left in sixth grade since our local troop was.... less than stellar. I've been able to make strides in other areas, but there's a gaping whole where Boy Scouts used to be. I'm thinking of goung to Boys State and wondering if attendence in the event is a good substitute for Boy Scouts, and how competitive Boys State is overall for a USNA applicaton.

Both BSA and Boys State are places where you can experience and learn about leadership. It's not so much if you went to either one...the issue is ... if you have demonstrated leadership abilities, learning and experience. What have you done so far to practice and learn about leadership?
 
My DS got a lot out of Boys State. It really awakened him to government. He didn't even get ROTC scholarship, but Boys State was one of the best experiences in his life. It is definitely worthwhile to do it, but not just for an application.
 
I'm having a really good feeling about my standings so far for USNA, and I'm looking to go to Boys State and add that to my resume. I've done Boy Scouts as a kid but left in sixth grade since our local troop was.... less than stellar. I've been able to make strides in other areas, but there's a gaping whole where Boy Scouts used to be. I'm thinking of goung to Boys State and wondering if attendence in the event is a good substitute for Boy Scouts, and how competitive Boys State is overall for a USNA applicaton.
I went to Boys State this past summer in Florida. It was an amazing experience! I also believe that it was one of the top reasons I was chosen for the Naval Academy. ( I got off the waitlist) My schools Valedictorian, who is also a state swimmer, got denied while I got put on the waitlist 🤷. I think of lot of that has to do with Boys State. Idk about it being a substitute for Boy Scouts, I think that’s it’s own separate category and idk how that weighs against Boys State. In summary, definitely try to do Boys State! It’s an amazing experience and it definitely looks good on your application.
 
I also attended Boys State and was never in Boys Scout and things ended pretty well for me. Obviously everyone’s case will be different but I think the most important thing is being able to demonstrate some sort of leadership ability. If you go to Boys State be sure to run for some elected positions, I was elected sheriff and that was a great talking point in all of my interviews.
 
I've been able to make strides in other areas, but there's a gaping whole where Boy Scouts used to be. I'm thinking of goung to Boys State and wondering if attendence in the event is a good substitute for Boy Scouts, and how competitive Boys State is overall for a USNA applicaton.
First, both Scouting and Boy's State are great programs, and Service Academies often report participation in Class Profiles . (As an aside, I don't see Boys State specifically identified in the 2024 or 2025 class profiles, but that doesn't take away from my comments). It's often been reported and debated on SAF that Boy's State carries as much weight as Eagle Scout - I don't know the source of that commentary, but suspect it comes from the West Point study years ago that provided detail about how their Whole Person Multiple is determined, If that is the case, it was years ago, and frankly all candidates should understand that information relating to West Point admissions does not necessarily cross over to USNA. (Yes, we all have the same basic objective, but different services may place more weight on some programs than others).

My personal view, for what its worth -- is that both programs are worth what you put into them. The experiences I had in Boy Scout were invaluable- I had the full resume, Eagle, OA, Patrol Leader, Senior Patrol Leader, Camp Staff, etc, and I credit the experience for much of my success in life. I didn't attend Boys State, in fact barely ever heard of it, but my personal view is that while it is a good, and worthwhile program, you can't get the experiences I had in Scouting in the course of one week. That said, I do believe that the factors that get someone into Boys State, ie. a recognized leader in your school/community, recommended by teachers ,etc. are good indicators of potential success with USNA Admissions.

That said, OP's suggestion that he attend Boy's State to replace Scouting on his application is a non sequitur . They are two different programs, and Service Academies (at least USNA) doesn't check the block as an either /or. I think its probably safe to say that no one ever got into a Service Academy because of either Boys State or Scouting -- perhaps its been the tie breaker in close calls when Noms and Appointments has to pick between two closely ranked candidates, but there are many, many other factors that can be considered. Bottom line -- attend Boys State, or participate in Scouting if that is something that interests you -- its' what you make of the program that counts, not just checking the block.
 
Both BSA and Boys State are places where you can experience and learn about leadership. It's not so much if you went to either one...the issue is ... if you have demonstrated leadership abilities, learning and experience. What have you done so far to practice and learn about leadership?
So far, I've been elected president of my class and i'm running again this year, and I'm in the running for captain of my wrestling team. I've received numerous recognition from my school for exhibiting "leadership values," and I participated in the USNA youth leadership program last summer. I'm also a camp counselor, if that helps. As far as Boy's State, I'm absolutely aiming to run for a higher elected position.
 
My DS got a lot out of Boys State. It really awakened him to government. He didn't even get ROTC scholarship, but Boys State was one of the best experiences in his life. It is definitely worthwhile to do it, but not just for an application.
Gotcha. You're definitely right, and beyond USNA, I'm super excited just to take part in Boys State. It sounds like a great experience to be remembered!
 
First, both Scouting and Boy's State are great programs, and Service Academies often report participation in Class Profiles . (As an aside, I don't see Boys State specifically identified in the 2024 or 2025 class profiles, but that doesn't take away from my comments). It's often been reported and debated on SAF that Boy's State carries as much weight as Eagle Scout - I don't know the source of that commentary, but suspect it comes from the West Point study years ago that provided detail about how their Whole Person Multiple is determined, If that is the case, it was years ago, and frankly all candidates should understand that information relating to West Point admissions does not necessarily cross over to USNA. (Yes, we all have the same basic objective, but different services may place more weight on some programs than others).

My personal view, for what its worth -- is that both programs are worth what you put into them. The experiences I had in Boy Scout were invaluable- I had the full resume, Eagle, OA, Patrol Leader, Senior Patrol Leader, Camp Staff, etc, and I credit the experience for much of my success in life. I didn't attend Boys State, in fact barely ever heard of it, but my personal view is that while it is a good, and worthwhile program, you can't get the experiences I had in Scouting in the course of one week. That said, I do believe that the factors that get someone into Boys State, ie. a recognized leader in your school/community, recommended by teachers ,etc. are good indicators of potential success with USNA Admissions.

That said, OP's suggestion that he attend Boy's State to replace Scouting on his application is a non sequitur . They are two different programs, and Service Academies (at least USNA) doesn't check the block as an either /or. I think its probably safe to say that no one ever got into a Service Academy because of either Boys State or Scouting -- perhaps its been the tie breaker in close calls when Noms and Appointments has to pick between two closely ranked candidates, but there are many, many other factors that can be considered. Bottom line -- attend Boys State, or participate in Scouting if that is something that interests you -- its' what you make of the program that counts, not just checking the block.
I read you loud and clear. Boys State helps for sure, but shouldn't be compared with scouts. Got it. I'm definitely invested into the program on its own and I'm seeking to make the most out of it . Hopefully, Boys State along with the other leadership qualities and activities that I've taken part in will be of great help on my application. Either way, I know that Boys State will be a great experience. Thank you so much for your help!
 
I also attended Boys State and was never in Boys Scout and things ended pretty well for me. Obviously everyone’s case will be different but I think the most important thing is being able to demonstrate some sort of leadership ability. If you go to Boys State be sure to run for some elected positions, I was elected sheriff and that was a great talking point in all of my interviews.
Thanks for your input! There's no doubt I'll seek for some elected positions.
 
I wish I would of gone to Boys State, but the year I could have gone I did not get selected because they only allowed 1 person from each school to go (covid). I barely missed the cut (I was #2 in my class, but so was maverick soooo). Anyways, I know a lot of people that've been accepted to all the SA's and most didn't have Boy's State, but some did. It doesn't hurt not to have it but it can always help you gain leadership roles and make you stand out.
 
The competitiveness of it depends upon where you live and perhaps it could vary from year to year as well. I'm a Sgt At Arms for the 9th District American Legion in Pennsylvania. In our last district meeting our commander mentioned some statistics. The state of Virginia had over 1,000 going to Boys State, Delaware around 600, and Pennsylvania around 250. Pennsylvania usually has a bunch more. A few years back for example, my daughter went to Girls State in Pa and there were many more. The process is straight forward- your state should have the application online. Complete it and then connect with a local American Legion post. Each post can sponsor / send a candidate; unless the state itself has an upper bound / limit. I've heard of some posts where no one applied and others that had many candidates from which to choose. If the post you contact has already selected one, just reach out to another nearby post. Best of luck. It's a great experience if you are able to attend.
 
The competitiveness of it depends upon where you live and perhaps it could vary from year to year as well. I'm a Sgt At Arms for the 9th District American Legion in Pennsylvania. In our last district meeting our commander mentioned some statistics. The state of Virginia had over 1,000 going to Boys State, Delaware around 600, and Pennsylvania around 250. Pennsylvania usually has a bunch more. A few years back for example, my daughter went to Girls State in Pa and there were many more. The process is straight forward- your state should have the application online. Complete it and then connect with a local American Legion post. Each post can sponsor / send a candidate; unless the state itself has an upper bound / limit. I've heard of some posts where no one applied and others that had many candidates from which to choose. If the post you contact has already selected one, just reach out to another nearby post. Best of luck. It's a great experience if you are able to attend.
In NJ, most posts work through the schools to get candidates and kids who attend underserved schools are allowed to self-nominate and their parents or other organizations (local fire dept, etc) pay for them. My small-ish post of approx a hundred sponsors a total of 6 from 3 high schools. The state numbers were up to almost 1000 prior to COVID and are now working our way back. Generally, we're bigger than PA and NY combined in terms of attendance. I just had breakfast two hours ago with the Vice Pres of our Boys State Corporation and we're both looking forward to getting started next Sat (Boys arrive on Sunday)
 
At our school in Tampa, FL, the top three or four NJROTC junior cadets are nominated by the SNSI to interview with the Legion, who then pick one or two. Last my DS was the only one picked to go and he loved it. He says he wants to run for Congress some day.
 
In NJ, most posts work through the schools to get candidates and kids who attend underserved schools are allowed to self-nominate and their parents or other organizations (local fire dept, etc) pay for them. My small-ish post of approx a hundred sponsors a total of 6 from 3 high schools. The state numbers were up to almost 1000 prior to COVID and are now working our way back. Generally, we're bigger than PA and NY combined in terms of attendance. I just had breakfast two hours ago with the Vice Pres of our Boys State Corporation and we're both looking forward to getting started next Sat (Boys arrive on Sunday)
I'll be attending ALJBS this coming weekend. I, as well as a few other delegates I know, are extremely excited to attend!
 
I'll be attending ALJBS this coming weekend. I, as well as a few other delegates I know, are extremely excited to attend!
Initial staff arrival is next Friday to begin setup and the rest show up early on Saturday to be ready for you all on Sunday.
I'm in Wildwood today and have seen at least five other staffers who are all set to head to Rider
 
In Pennsylvania our Keystone Boys State is held at Shippensburg University; staring next Sunday. Three years ago our daughter attended and had an amazing experience. They visited the state capitol, met many state senators and even the governor. And they campaigned, formed their own state and local government, debated, adopted laws, and more. She's still friends with a group of the attendees too.
 
Our DS attended Boys State. He loved it. He met mentors he is still in contact with. He and the boys created a group chat and are still in contact 2 years later. One just text him about his appointment to USNA as a reapplicant.
It really is true that you will get out of the program what you put into it. Dig in, run for office, heck run for more than one. DS didn’t win offices he ran for early in the week.
With the encouragement of his roomie and counselors he through his hat in the ring for Governor. One speech and a sleepless night later, it worked out for him (to his astonishment). That opened the door to Boys Nation which was 10 days of more adventures and exposure to government. Met his Senators and Mike Pence. Met his member of Congress. Made lifelong friends.
We have no idea how it affected his applications. Or if it held any weight.
What we do know is he loved it, grew from the experience and wouldn’t change it for the world.
He would have gone back the following year as incumbent governor and counselor but Covid cancelled the program.

He hopes to go back as a counselor and pay it forward some day.

The American Legion is amazing and what they do for youth is incredible.
 
Our DS attended Boys State. He loved it. He met mentors he is still in contact with. He and the boys created a group chat and are still in contact 2 years later. One just text him about his appointment to USNA as a reapplicant.
It really is true that you will get out of the program what you put into it. Dig in, run for office, heck run for more than one. DS didn’t win offices he ran for early in the week.
With the encouragement of his roomie and counselors he through his hat in the ring for Governor. One speech and a sleepless night later, it worked out for him (to his astonishment). That opened the door to Boys Nation which was 10 days of more adventures and exposure to government. Met his Senators and Mike Pence. Met his member of Congress. Made lifelong friends.
We have no idea how it affected his applications. Or if it held any weight.
What we do know is he loved it, grew from the experience and wouldn’t change it for the world.
He would have gone back the following year as incumbent governor and counselor but Covid cancelled the program.

He hopes to go back as a counselor and pay it forward some day.

The American Legion is amazing and what they do for youth is incredible.
Edit: threw his hat. Not ‘through’. I shouldn’t type without my reading glasses.
 
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