Discussion in 'Naval Academy - USNA' started by summer1942, Oct 23, 2010.
For the USNA class of 2015, does anyone have any number of application so far ???
No, but even if we did, the number isn't all that relevant. What matters is the number who end up completing their applications.
I think back in August/early September I saw the number 11,000. No idea if there is any legitimacy to this. But again, not much relevance. It comes down to how many are 3q'd with nomination. In which case I would refer to last year's number plus a few.
At the recent candidate weekend the number 13,000 was thrown out.
I wonder how many more between now and March 1. Perhaps 2105 will surpass the number 17K+ of 2014.
It's quite scary to think about...service academies are becoming much more competitive than ever before.
hey I'm applying to the USNA and I was just wondering what my chances were up against these 13K+ candidates. All this talk of LOA's was making me a little discouraged since I haven't heard anything back yet, but last time I checked I was medically qualified by DODMERB.
2nd in my class
BETA club vice president 11th
BETA club president 12th
Track & Field varsity 9th-12th
Cross Country varsity 9th-12th
Track & Field Captain 9th-12
Cross Country Captain 10th-12th
NHS member 10th-12th
SAT math 690
SAT verbal 600
CFA: push up, sit ups, pull ups, and mile all maxed
bball throw 74ft and shuttle run 8.5
involved in my community 100+ community service hours.
Your information seems very competitive, at least in my eyes. But I'm just a fellow candidate. The thing is that there are thousands of others who are just as qualified. A good chunk of your accomplishments mirror mine very closely, but like I said, we're in a similar pool along with thousands of others. That is why they recommend to get your app in early, because by the first review board, they are looking for 1300-some spots to fill, as opposed to getting your app in by December, when they are then looking for a substantially smaller number to fill. Best of luck, hope it helped.
Not really. The only ones 'spots' that are being 'filled' now are a few of the very most competitive whom they are absolutely sure will be in the top of the 1300 of those who are finally admitted.
you animal!!! looks very competitive to me
It doesn't matter, you're not competing with all "17,000" of them, a number that includes many "applicants" that are not really applying.
You are not competing against someone who is not qualified, you are not competing against someone who is denied a candidate number, you are not competing against the guy (or girl) who fills out their name, address, and school and then abandons the application.
You are only competing against the candidates who complete the entire application process in your nomination category(ies).
My family was at a Navy League dinner in Cincinnati, OH on 18OCT10 where Vice Admiral Michael H. Miller, the Naval Academy Superintendent, was the guest speaker. He said over 18,000 applied this year. Perhaps a bit inflated or embellished?
I think the current economy condition, high unemployment rate, uncertainty of future etc...has something to do with the larger number of application this year. Get in to one of SAs ,get free education in one of the best schools of the country, 100% have a job after graduation,etc... are the major reasons why so many kids try to get in the SAs.
As a parent, beside serving our beloved country, I want my son to have a "worry free" future ,no worry about job, about lay off at least for the next 24 years of his life.
I think this is a trend that will not be going away anytime soon. With a 10% unemployment rate, this has become the new "norm" as college graduates move back in with their parents when they can't find jobs.
Allow some contribution, possibly edification on this.
1. As has been noted, while the question is interesting, it lends little insight to competitiveness, the "why's" motivating applicants, the impact particularly of an aggressive push and vastly different operating procedure in the USNA admissions over the past 3 seasons, including this one.
2. As Luigi and others have noted, the gross number has little impact on anyone's application. Most are primarily competing with the students coming from their districts and states. 3Qed not receiving an appointment-ready nomination are placed into the national pool from whence a marginal number of candidates are ultimately appointed.
3. In fact, while conventional wisdom suggests that USNA should become MORE competitive, statistics over the most recent 5 year period illustrate that it is becoming LESS competitive, at least overall. Of course what this suggests is that USNA is getting more applicants of lesser traditional qualifications. Specifically, here are some of the significant numbers, as reported by USNA admissions:
Comparing Class of 2009 with Class of 2014 - 5 years-all numbers taken from USNA reports. Remember, these are appointed and enrolled Mids.
Class of 2009 had 13% of appointees scoring below 600 in math vs. 25% in Class of 2014, a 50% "increase" among students scoring below the magic 600 SAT level.
In verbal scoring (this was not reported similarly) 26% were below 600 in Class of 2009. For the Class of 2014 that same bottom 25% were below 570, another similar dramatic drop.
Priors, i.e. those enlisted men and women receiving appointments, have dropped from 76 to 34.
NAPSters have increased 14% from 229 to 261.
Nuke school appointments ...down to 7 from 16, down 50%
Foundation down from 80 to 59. Drop of 25%
Prior college students down from 81 to 63 drop of 22%. Don't figure on getting in outta Penn State or Michigan.
Hispanics up to 176 from 115, 53% increase.
African Americans up 129 from 68, increase of 90%
Asian, Native, Pacific Islanders up 133 from 88, 51% increase.
Alumni children appointments down 12%
Women applicants are down 400 from 2009, a 10% drop.
So, in sum, make your own conclusions. But one cannot be that it's becoming MORE competitive, at least overall, and do not be alarmed or discouraged by the growth in applicants. While economy, job security, shrinking investments, etc. are no doubt having some impact on this, it is primarily a function of a targeted, segmented admissions process implemented 3 years ago. The growth in applicants is not a recent phenomena.
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