How many left in class of 2020?

Brawny77

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If I remember correctly, there were 1177 that showed up on I day for the class of 2020. I remember the Sup. Setting the goal that they be the first class to have 90 % graduate. My
DS said they lost one from his company during plebe summer but none since then even though a couple had been a little shaky at times. Does anyone know the current size of 2020? They have cleared the physical hump of plebe summer and it would seem now they face the academic and time management monster and the dark ages dragon. Mine is still upbeat and says he "loves the place more than he hates it" lol
 

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46 have departed per a reliable source

Not sure if the Dean asked anyone to leave

The screening to get in is so much better - years ago 30-40% attrition was not uncommon
 
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46 have departed
That is an awful a lot of plebes quitting, I'm sure they are a lot of kids that would have given an eye to attend USNA 2020. Well plebe summer is a test of a plebes willpower to continue the four year journey, and does who quit just proves that the SAs is not for everyone.
 

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I had 7 quit in my Basic Training Flight at usafa in summer of '83 out of 38 - that was just the first 6 weeks - one was a medical

It is easy to criticize those who leave, but I would bet most planned to graduate when they showed up on IDay. These are young men and women who thought they knew exactly what they wanted and what usna would be like and then something changed

Those that left may have wished later that they stayed a little longer but I think 46 is remarkably low.

And though they left it doesn't make them any less of a high quality person
 

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46 is very low. I didn't graduate all that long ago nor a million years ago. But attrition was much higher. We probably lost 46 on the first day of drops allowed Plebe Summer. We lost somewhere nearly 30% of our class. That was not uncommon. The class ahead of me lost even more, heck when I was a 2/C we had 25 1/C in our company. The norm was closer to 36-38. The screening process has not changed. The application is honestly nearly the same. I think social media and the Internet has made the biggest difference. Candidates are much more informed of what a SA is. Social media allows access to forums like this, videos of what USNA is, Facebook spreads the word, candidates are connected to ask questions and explore. I am sure some motivated young LT at NPS has explore this or if they haven't, be great if they could!
 

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46 is very low. I didn't graduate all that long ago nor a million years ago. But attrition was much higher. We probably lost 46 on the first day of drops allowed Plebe Summer. We lost somewhere nearly 30% of our class. That was not uncommon. The class ahead of me lost even more, heck when I was a 2/C we had 25 1/C in our company. The norm was closer to 36-38. The screening process has not changed. The application is honestly nearly the same. I think social media and the Internet has made the biggest difference. Candidates are much more informed of what a SA is. Social media allows access to forums like this, videos of what USNA is, Facebook spreads the word, candidates are connected to ask questions and explore. I am sure some motivated young LT at NPS has explore this or if they haven't, be great if they could!
Thank you NavyHoops for that inside information, I did not have any clue the attrition rates were that high back then.
 

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USNA adjusts class size based on projected attrition rates. They have been pretty steady the last few years. They have a target number they want to commission and factor in projected losses (glad I don't create that algorithm) to create the class size. As attrition has dropped over time they have reduced class sizes for the most part. No one who left has taken a spot from someone. They earned their spot and it's why USNA allows Mids to leave the first two years. If no one ever left the class size would be even smaller. Very few leave because they can't hack it. Most leave because it's not a good fit. As they get further in the process at USNA more are forced out vs voluntarily leaving. Even those forced out could make it if they made the right adjustments. They are capable, it just doesn't click.

USNA used to tell us all on I Day... 'Look to your left and right... one of you will not make it to graduation.' It was true. Now it's more like look at your squad... 1 of you might not make it.
 

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Academics is probably the #1 reason usna drops someone.

There is a scandal every few years that will have the 'dant send a large group home
 

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The big reasons Mids are dropped (i.e. Forced out) are AC boards, Honor boards, regulations breakers, and injuries. Back in my day anyway...imagine it's about the same now.
 

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As my DS and I walked up to the report area on I day there was this kid and his parents (I guess they were his parents) sitting a little way off on a bench. They caught my eye because the kid looked really distressed and both parents looked pissed off. I heard the kid say "I just don't know". I just walked quickly by to try and stay out of their business but I thought to myself that this really wasn't for everyone and I also wonder if that kid went in
 

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Academics is probably the #1 reason usna drops someone.

There is a scandal every few years that will have the 'dant send a large group home

That's not what we heard on I Day. I seem to recall academics being one of the most infrequent reasons someone gets dropped. *shrug* But who knows.

The class size on I Day was 1,180. To have 46 gone (by choice or by force) seems like a great percentage, less than 4% of the class.
 

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They do have a ton of academic help available if the mid will just take advantage of it. I know my Mids company leaders were all over this. Go Honey Badgers!
 
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As Mids progress further in the process it moves from choice to leave to forced to leave. Some Mids in 4/C and 3/C year will also resign when the writing is on the wall and choose to resign before conduct, honor (often conduct/honor can be combined items also) or academic trouble forces them out. There will be some who choose to leave before signing their papers. Its usually not a massive wave who leaves, but 1-2 here or there. In my experience conduct and academics were the two major ones that got folks kicked out and being about equally split. Physical fitness (PRT failures being the largest with the rare swimming issue being the smallest group) and honor being much smaller in numbers behind those. Overall from a class attrition portfolio view, voluntary resignation for whatever reason will be the #1 item when you count all those who left Plebe Summer and Plebe Year. For the Class of 2020, very few will have been forced to leave at this point.
 

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USNA is terribly proud of their 90% graduation rate. Compared to civilian colleges--this is a fantastic retention and four year rate.
 
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