I'm Competing for an Appointment from within my Nomination Sources?

At this point, I'm just going to try and stay positive. I guess I have about a 64 percent shot of getting into the Academy if I get the nomination, so I'll just keep my head up and hope for the best at this point.
 
HopefulMid,

You have done everything you can do - your app is done and you've had your interview. Stay positive, keep your grades up and your extra curriculars/sports should help keep you busy (mind and body).

I am pulling for you. You are a pleasant poster to this forum and from what I can tell will make a great Midshipman.

GoNavyMom
 
What if I receive a nomination from one of my state Senators?

Just to be clear Hopeful MDN: You can get a nomination from one of your two state's senators. Not the state senators who serve in the state Senate.

I was thinking the same thing. Your state senators cannot nominate anyone.

However, your 2 US Senators can.

Yes, there is a difference between a state senator and a US senator.
 
......an applicant cannot get an appointment from a MOC whose slot went unused.........you must live in the Congressional District or State where you get the nomination. If Congressman XX doesn't nominate anybody or there is no one on their slate who is qualifed, an applicant from another Congressional District CANNOT have that spot. /QUOTE]

Can anyone confirm from an official source? Anecdotal evidence from years ago, but a USMMA sibling was wanted for athletics but living in nearby Long Island, NY competitive district. Didn't make our MOC's list,but was found nom [by coach? -- through academy channels.] as alternate from MOC somewhere in Oklahoma.
 
Hopeful

Please correct me if I am mistaken, but I think your odds of getting an appointment are even better than you think. From the USNA website
"Approximately 2,000 candidates are found fully qualified (scholastic, medical, CFA, and have obtained a nomination) each year. Of that number, about 1,500 will receive appointments and approximately 1,200 become midshipmen."
 
Oh wow, I definitely do not think I will rank very high against kids who are going to be applying in my district. Is this how the admissions process would work for the air force academy as well or is it just the naval academy? I mean in the terms of academies ranking the nominated candidates and offering an appointment to the number one.

Also I don't quite understand what this is about a MOC having a certain number of nominations/appointees. Can anyone clarify that?

I'm only interested in the air force by the way, I'm just lurking forums :biggrin:
 
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Also I don't quite understand what this is about a MOC having a certain number of nominations/appointees. Can anyone clarify that?

By LAW, every US Congressman and every US Senator is allowed to have 5 cadets attend the USAFA that are "charged" to him.

TITLE 10 > Subtitle D > PART III > CHAPTER 903 > § 9342

Each of those MOCs are allowed to nominate 10 people for every 1 cadet vacancy (graduation, drop-out, etc).

Most MOCs structure their nominations so they have 1 or 2 open slots every year to nominate new candidates.

Thus if your Congressman has 5 people attending the USAFA this year, one will probably graduate and the Congressman will have 1 vacancy. He can nominate 10 people from his district for that 1 vacancy.

The nominees may be submitted without ranking or with a principal candidate and 9 ranked or unranked alternates.

:cool:
 
Luigi, thanks for that link and the USAFA info on nominations. Can you, or anyone out there, explain how the Superintendent of the Naval Academy Nomination works? Section 6954(d) allow the Superintendent to nominate 50 persons (I assume that means applying candidates?)

Does the Superintendent 'hand pick' these names out of the applicant pool or is there a nomination application path?
 
Luigi, thanks for that link and the USAFA info on nominations. Can you, or anyone out there, explain how the Superintendent of the Naval Academy Nomination works? Section 6954(d) allow the Superintendent to nominate 50 persons (I assume that means applying candidates?)

Does the Superintendent 'hand pick' these names out of the applicant pool or is there a nomination application path?

Interpret that nomination source as "highly recruited D1 football and basketball players who did not receive a nomination from their MOC." :wink:
 
@: Luigi59

AHHH Thank you. I understand now. Apparently my district is underrepresented in all the service academies. I hope that would make it easier for me to obtain a nomination, though academy representatives are going school to school around here giving out information about the academies. So they would most likely attract some attention, thus more competition for me. Hahaha.


The nominees may be submitted without ranking or with a principal candidate and 9 ranked or unranked alternates.

:cool:

Now I don't understand this part. And if they do the ranking thing, do they only offer an appointment to the best one out of ten candidates(from a district) or the top five?

And after offering an appointment to the best one out of the ten candidates who accept, would the appointments of the remaining candidates be based on the ranking or would their profile be compared against the rest of the students in the nation who are applying.
 
How would you go about finding out whether your district is "underrepresented"?

Well, I do remember a list someone posted on this forum that included underrepresented districts all over the country, I don't recall seeing my district on that list however. And I forgot where I saw that list, it was from when I was lurking these forums.

How I knew about my district however, was that one of the academy representatives came to my school and told us. Either my district has none (doubt it) or very few students attending the academies altogether.
 
JennyP posted a list of under represented districts earlier in this thread.

GoNavyMom
 
JennyP posted a list of under represented districts earlier in this thread.

GoNavyMom

I found that list and learned our district is underrepresented. Wonder what that will eventually mean?
 
Looked up the Wisconsin districts and found it interesting that district 7 is what I expected - the boonies on the NW side of the state, bordering the UP of Michigan. Very large geographic region for one district and no population "hubs". However, district 4 (the other underrepresented district) is Milwaukee itself! Seems like opposite ends of the spectrum! :confused:
 
Being from an "under-represented district" has several possible ramifications....first, the various academies are making extra recruiting efforts in those districts. We see that here in west Texas in the form of mids home early for Thanksgiving giving programs at high schools (last year). It also means a candidate's chances of getting selected off a senator's slate may improve. Realize that all the nominees on the Rep's slate will be from that same under represented area. The academies want students from all over the U.S., so are seeking that geographic diversity. So, in theory, the whole under-represented thing can work for you or against you! And, as I say often, the only thing you can control is the strength of your application. The rest of this info is simply "stuff to ponder" in the grand scheme of all things service academy. Which is the sport of the season at this particular stage in the process! Be cautioned to not waste time worrying over that which you cannot control or even influence.

Now about slates of nominees. This has been discussed ad nauseum on this forum, but here goes again. MOC's may nominate ten for each open slot they have of their 5 allotted spaces. That list or "slate" of ten may be presented to the academies 3 ways. The most common way is to submit an unranked slate of names, allowing the academy to select the nominee to whom they wish to offer appointment. Another way is for MOC to name one nominee "principle nominee." In that case, USXA must offer that candidate (if they are deemed qualified) an appointment. The other 9 are "unranked." The third way they can submit their slare is with the principal nominee (numero uno) and then ranked alternates. It is perfectly acceptable for you to ask your MOC's office how they submit their slate.

Now, the big question looming in all your heads.....what becomes of the other 9 names once the MOC's "vacancy" is filled? Those names go into the national pool and compete for an appointment there from other sources such as Supe, VP, Pres (if qualified), etc. Those other nine names may also appear on another MOC slate and get appointed there.
Imagine if you will a big matrix of vacancies and slates. As they offer appointments and fill slots, names are crossed off slates. Other names are crossed off if, for example, a candidate cannot get a medical waiver or decides to go to another school, etc. All the while, USXA is seeking to build a class that meets their needs. And only they know their needs.

You will likely never know for certain the source of your appointment....*nd it matters not!

So, grasshopper, now you understand the wisdom of getting your name on as many slates as possible!

Two lessons from this: make sure your package is as strong as possible and there is NO way you can accurately predict how the admissions process is going to go! There are certain laws governing the process. Again, nothing you as a candidate can influence!

Good luck to all. We are anxiously awaiting news of your appointments!
 
Two lessons from this: make sure your package is as strong as possible

My daughter has been sending updates to her Regional Director, as she goes through her senior athletic career. Such things as Team Captain, All Conference, etc. have been requested to be added to her app. She has not heard one reply back from the Regional Director for any of these updates. Is there any way to check to see whether items were added? Or should we just assume that all is well?
 
Those names go into the national pool and compete for an appointment there from other sources such as Supe, VP, Pres (if qualified), etc. Those other nine names may also appear on another MOC slate and get appointed there.
Jenny - once in the national pool they don't compete for a VP or Supe nomination; they compete for an appointment as a qualified alternate.

Knarf - She can place a call to her regional director in admissions. There is nothing wrong with a candidate calling the CGO or their BGO to ask a question. Touching base can be a good thing.
 
Does the Superintendent 'hand pick' these names out of the applicant pool or is there a nomination application path?
These candidates are picked by Admissions, there is no application. They could be a recruited athlete but not always. They might be a candidate who, for some reason got an LOA but not a nomination from their MOC.
 
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