January 4, 2011 AROTC Board

vamom, this is a forum about the January Army ROTC board and not the AFROTC board so the information you are relaying/looking for will not be relevant. You may want to find a forum on the AFROTC boards or refer to Pima for further info:thumb:

Thank you! I've just joined so I clearly got a bit sidetracked! Good luck to all of the Army ROTC candidates! I will now creep back over to the Air Force! :)
 
Our status on the army rotc website never changed from "You may check your medical qualification status by visiting the Department of Defense Medical Examination Review Board DoDMERB WebSite"

But we did receive an email from our sons #1 choice saying he would be receiving a scholarship.

So for those of you that are in a similar situation. Good news may be on the way. I will post what the letter says when we get it.

Thanks to all on this forum for all the good information

He may be the lucky recipient of a campus-based scholarship. Congratulations.
 
9 out of 18 that received 4 year national scholarships last year were booted out of the ROTC by December. Mainly for failing PFTs but some for academic failures.

He had a big board with numbers 1-18, and only nine names left on his board.



A white board BTW, not a AROTC board.....although the Army probably own his board.

It is my understanding that if a scholarship cadet loses the scholarship they can try and get it back. So some of the cadets got less than a 2.0 their first semester or 3.0 in ROTC and aren't trying to keep the scholarship?
 
My DS has also not heard anything from the January board. So I will be joining the March thread as well. He has tried contacting the ROO at his #1 choice school but has not connected yet. After reading some of the post here I advised him to update his school list. He went on line to do that tonight and his application was blank. Has this happened to anyone else. Does anyone know what this might mean? He is going to try to contact the CC tomorrow.
 
My DS has also not heard anything from the January board. So I will be joining the March thread as well. He has tried contacting the ROO at his #1 choice school but has not connected yet. After reading some of the post here I advised him to update his school list. He went on line to do that tonight and his application was blank. Has this happened to anyone else. Does anyone know what this might mean? He is going to try to contact the CC tomorrow.

I have no idea about the scholarship application being blank or not, will have DS check his tomorrow-he has the login info, not me. Why do you feel he needs to change his schools? Just curious. Hope the ROO gets back to him soon, it is helpful to hear from them. But I guess we'll be around for the March board with you, can't imagine anywhere else to spend time while waiting...:wink:
 
My DS has also not heard anything from the January board. So I will be joining the March thread as well. He has tried contacting the ROO at his #1 choice school but has not connected yet. After reading some of the post here I advised him to update his school list. He went on line to do that tonight and his application was blank. Has this happened to anyone else. Does anyone know what this might mean? He is going to try to contact the CC tomorrow.

Applications were supposed to have been completed already, so I think CC has taken them down and is preparing for next year's applicant submissions (which typically start in March).

You might want to contact CC directly if there is a school to add to or remove from the list. Removal is a good thing (especially if he was denied admission) as it looks like CC is reducing the number of choices. I'm sure they don't like awarding slots at schools where a candidate cannot use it.
 
A sobering thought for all the scholarship recipients: We just got back from a campus visit and we had a two hour chat with the ROO. He has a board with his 2010 freshman scholarship winners: 18 of them in total, and 9 were cut by December. Apparently its not uncommon for a large percentage to fall by the wayside. Incidentally, they have never lost a single cadet that was awarded an in-school scholarship.

That kind of highlights how flawed the current board selection process is!

If this were happening at most schools, I would agree that the current board selection process is flawed. I suspect more that this is actually a failure of the unit, as the units I am familiar with have the freshmen in for study hall, especially if they are struggling at midterms. And failure to meet the APFT truly reflects poorly upon the upper classmen leading the unit. And if they are getting tossed for disciplinary issues, that even says more about the unit.

Of course the on-campus scholarships work out better. They have a full year to weed out the immature who tend to flunk out early. I'm sure they don't give a on-campus scholarship to anyone with a GPA south of 3.0 and a PFT that isn't above 270 during their first year. That is great Monday morining quarterbacking.

ROTC is about developing the Student Athlete Leader and its activities and accountablility standards should all center around that. ROTC should actually have a better than average retention than the school as a whole if they are doing a good job. A unit that does not retain significantly more cadets than average should have its cadre looked at very carefully. They need to be doing a better job of guiding their cadet leadership in developing activities to improve retention.
 
I have no idea about the scholarship application being blank or not, will have DS check his tomorrow-he has the login info, not me. Why do you feel he needs to change his schools? Just curious. Hope the ROO gets back to him soon, it is helpful to hear from them. But I guess we'll be around for the March board with you, can't imagine anywhere else to spend time while waiting...:wink:

I thought he probably should updated them because he put 7 school choices but has only applied to and been accepted to 4 of those choices. Of the 3 choices not applied to, one (Georgia Tech) would be a long shot for him, one he is not interested in anymore, and the 3rd he is on the fence about but probably would not have a problem being accepted. DS thought he would remove GT and the disinterested school. Is this how he should handle this? We are very new to the AROTC game.
 
It is my understanding that if a scholarship cadet loses the scholarship they can try and get it back. So some of the cadets got less than a 2.0 their first semester or 3.0 in ROTC and aren't trying to keep the scholarship?

I think the kids were out of their depth. He said it is shocking how bad a shape some of them are in. Many say they did sports in high school but a lot of high schools have very low standards for participating in activities. Some of them simply have trouble getting up at silly AM. Others struggle with classes although they were solid in high school.

I got the general feeling they didn't have a lot of tolerance for kids that don't make the grade.
 
It is my understanding that if a scholarship cadet loses the scholarship they can try and get it back. So some of the cadets got less than a 2.0 their first semester or 3.0 in ROTC and aren't trying to keep the scholarship?

To outright lose a scholarship in fall of freshman year it is more likely that the cadets did not pass the APFT by mid-December. That is an absolute requirement to receive the scholarship. If so, technically they did not lose their scholarships since they never actually received them.
 
I thought he probably should updated them because he put 7 school choices but has only applied to and been accepted to 4 of those choices. Of the 3 choices not applied to, one (Georgia Tech) would be a long shot for him, one he is not interested in anymore, and the 3rd he is on the fence about but probably would not have a problem being accepted. DS thought he would remove GT and the disinterested school. Is this how he should handle this? We are very new to the AROTC game.

Absolutely, if he's not accepted or interested in the schools, but has 3 or so he's still applied to/been accepted at/interested in, get those others off his list!! There has been so much speculation about school choice, just wanted you to have the opportunity for everyone(including/especially the seasoned parents)to check your ideas out. I'd go straight thru CC like goaliedad suggested.
 
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Got the official letter today, four year tuition coverage to Oregon State University. What a relief, I'm glad this waiting process is over!
 
I was happy to see 3/31/11 deadline. I will look at other terms over the weekend.
 
If this were happening at most schools, I would agree that the current board selection process is flawed. I suspect more that this is actually a failure of the unit, as the units I am familiar with have the freshmen in for study hall, especially if they are struggling at midterms. And failure to meet the APFT truly reflects poorly upon the upper classmen leading the unit. And if they are getting tossed for disciplinary issues, that even says more about the unit.

Of course the on-campus scholarships work out better. They have a full year to weed out the immature who tend to flunk out early. I'm sure they don't give a on-campus scholarship to anyone with a GPA south of 3.0 and a PFT that isn't above 270 during their first year. That is great Monday morining quarterbacking.

ROTC is about developing the Student Athlete Leader and its activities and accountablility standards should all center around that. ROTC should actually have a better than average retention than the school as a whole if they are doing a good job. A unit that does not retain significantly more cadets than average should have its cadre looked at very carefully. They need to be doing a better job of guiding their cadet leadership in developing activities to improve retention.

A large number of scholarship offerees simply drop from the program because ROTC is not for them. In some cases they were pressured into it by mom or dad. It is difficult for a board to evaluate motivation. It is much easier to evaluate motivation when awarding the on campus scholarships.
 
A large number of scholarship offerees simply drop from the program because ROTC is not for them. In some cases they were pressured into it by mom or dad. It is difficult for a board to evaluate motivation. It is much easier to evaluate motivation when awarding the on campus scholarships.

Another argument in favor of taking a de-centralized approach! :thumb:
 
A large number of scholarship offerees simply drop from the program because ROTC is not for them. In some cases they were pressured into it by mom or dad. It is difficult for a board to evaluate motivation. It is much easier to evaluate motivation when awarding the on campus scholarships.

True that scholarship offerees drop after they have experienced the program and find it is not for them. I would also expect that many who show up day one of their freshman year walking on to have the same experience and make the same decision.

As to the "they were pressured into it by mom or dad" issue, that is one that the interview is supposed to weed out. Granted it is only a couple of hours to size up a young kid (and perhaps his/her parents if they tag along), but in my experience dealing with boarding school admissions folks, they are actually very good at breaking down the thinking of both applicant and parent (in this case required) to identify any issues they think will keep the child from thriving in their program. And they typically get about the same amount of time (2 to 3 hours) to do the same task. This is an area that perhaps the Army could use some formal training in when assigning officers to ROTC units.

I do agree that it is easier to pick a winner when you have an entire year observing his/her behavior in the unit and would expect retention rates in excess of 90% (stuff happens).

Right now, the on-campus scholarship is a "no guarantee expressed or implied" kind of situation. Walk-ons know that there is a possibility of getting one, "if" the money is available "and" they are excelling in the program. Some may be playing the "I'll risk it for a year and drop if I don't get one" game, but even those are often easy to pick out and bypass. If all scholarships were handled as on-campus, I think the "reality TV show gamesmanship" would probably walk on campus in the form of lots of wanna-bees and I imagine distract from the more serious candidates experience.

No, what worried me about that original post was the fact that the ROO was pointing at his "scholarship" board which would imply that he is blaming the scholarship process for his lack of retention. If he were pointing at his "freshman" board and saying the same kind of thing, it could be interpreted as "this is a tough program and lots of kids underestimate it" message.

If he were pointing at the "scholarship" board and saying that the ones "he" interviewed are the ones primarily still on campus, that would be saying that he takes his job seriously and wishes for a stronger veto on scholarship awardees (where he can eliminate the offer based upon his impression of the candidate). I can respect that.

Point here is that lots of messages can be taken from the message in that post. Don't mean to be a hard case on you hard-working (as evidenced by your active participation here on SAF :thumb:) cadre, but I'm sure you know of some who don't do the job as well. I wouldn't expect you to call them out, but I know that we as parents (with a small stake in the situation) do have to understand that they exist.

I hope no offense was taken as it wasn't intended.
 
My apologies, as I am sure this has been answered many times. But this is a long thread and I can only just occasioanlly check it during my work day. When is the next AROTC board?
 
My apologies, as I am sure this has been answered many times. But this is a long thread and I can only just occasioanlly check it during my work day. When is the next AROTC board?

March 8. There will be a new thread started soon devoted to that experience. The budget problems in Congress will be much more stressful, I expect.
 
I hope no offense was taken as it wasn't intended.

Marist has pretty thick skin. He knows you are dealing with the merits, not targeting anyone in particular. Should be interesting to read the responses to your post.

My own thought is that the centralized approach gives CC much greater flexibility to manage allocations, etc. I expect that this flexibility will be very important over the next five years or so, because of the hard choices that Congress will have to make soon (entitlement v. defense cutting).
 
Engineering Option

I thought he probably should updated them because he put 7 school choices but has only applied to and been accepted to 4 of those choices. Of the 3 choices not applied to, one (Georgia Tech) would be a long shot for him, one he is not interested in anymore, and the 3rd he is on the fence about but probably would not have a problem being accepted. DS thought he would remove GT and the disinterested school. Is this how he should handle this? We are very new to the AROTC game.

One thing I noticed about DS letter is that it was for "Engineering" and the rules state that the scholarship is only availble at an accreditted engineering school, including if it is transfered. AlabamaMom, not sure if your son put GT becuse he is considering engineering, but if he did, it sounds like you need to plan on other Engineering schools. Hopefully Auburn won't give you heartburn. Good Luck
 
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