Meanwhile back in Ukraine

Supposedly Пригожин has turned back to avoid bloodshed. I wonder what deal was made
 
kinnem said:
Supposedly Пригожин has turned back to avoid bloodshed. I wonder what deal was made
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… enter Lukashenko stage right to join the Putin & Prigozhin playbook that is oozing like some smelly fondue drizzle …
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So now they're supposedly heading to Belarus. What are the chances this was all theater to get an army moved deep into western Ukraine's flank without looking like an army being moved deep into western Ukraine's flank? I trust none of these people. What a sleeze fest.
 
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StPaulDad said:
So now they're supposedly heading to Belarus. What are the chances this was all theater to get an army moved deep into western Ukraine's flank without looking like an army being moved deep into western Ukraine's flank? I trust none of these people. What a sleeze fest.
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... classic military concept, a feign or tactical withdrawal, luring the enemy into an ambush.

...in The Art of War, if feigning retreat, proceed slowly, and if the enemy approach, strike swiftly.

[... standing down in Belarus, waiting, brilliant move.]
 
You are correct, I was reading an early story while herding scouts and I missed some important parts.
 
kinnem said:
I think only Prigozhin goes to Belarus. The rest go back in the line. Am I mistaken?
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"... all warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near." From Chapter 1, Art of War by Sun Tzu.
 
Deception ?

How about a cluster xxxx.

Evidently planned days in advance, potus was briefed on this by cia days before it happened, the advance seemed to be on a roll , but it was not bloodless , since Wagner at a min brought down a number of Russian planes or choppers.

And then those that were advancing , with little resistance and what there was they handled, just stop and their leader slinks off into hiding.

And all the while one side publicly announces that there is absolutely no justification for attacking Ukraine to begin with.

Incompetence a total screw up by both leaders.

Now might be the time to unleash those 6 well trained and well equipped Ukraine brigades that have not been committed to the offensive yet,
 
Small Team Bacsi said:
Deception ?

How about a cluster xxxx.

Evidently planned days in advance, potus was briefed on this by cia days before it happened, the advance seemed to be on a roll , but it was not bloodless , since Wagner at a min brought down a number of Russian planes or choppers.

And then those that were advancing , with little resistance and what there was they handled, just stop and their leader slinks off into hiding.

And all the while one side publicly announces that there is absolutely no justification for attacking Ukraine to begin with.

Incompetence a total screw up by both leaders.

Now might be the time to unleash those 6 well trained and well equipped Ukraine brigades that have not been committed to the offensive yet,
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I non concur. Your Comments above were based on news media. Unless you're part of the Wagner staff or Minister of Defense, no one can see thru the "Fog of War" including the U.S. and Allies.
 
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I have found it probably is best to wait before commenting based on news media.
 
severn said:
I non concur. Comments posted here were based on news media. Unless you're part of the Wagner staff or Minister of Defense, no one can see thru the "Fog of War" including the U.S. and Allies.
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The CIA had enough insight to brief potus before the events happened. So I will non concur back at you and will assume the USGovt has a pretty good idea what happened yesterday and why Fog of War or not.
 
Small Team Bacsi said:
The CIA had enough insight to brief potus before the events happened. So I will non concur back at you and will assume the USGovt has a pretty good idea what happened yesterday and why Fog of War or not.
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Your reasoning above is so confident and with certainty as if you have access to Top Secret SCI Level. If that's the case, maybe do not post it here.
 
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severn said:
Your reasoning above is so confident and with certainty as if you have access to Top Secret SCI Level. If that's the case, maybe do not post it here.
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We discuss events of the day here. We express opinions. We express opinions about what we read and see in the media.

Did you think this discussion and this particular forum was something else?

A well thought out deception does not normally make both parties to the deception look weak and inept

especially look weak and inept to those you need and depend on like China and India etc .

Sometimes a cluster and what looks like incompetence and chaos is exactly what it looks like,

to all who are watching.
 
cb7893 said:
Far better to simply make something up or check a conspiracy theorist's Twitter feed.
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Lmao. I asked a question based on history. I certainly didn’t see it on twitter or make it up.

I did see a former naval intelligence officer days ago on twitter say to wait to see what happens and not rely on the media reporting.
 
Small Team Bacsi said:
We discuss events of the day here. We express opinions. We express opinions about what we read and see in the media.

Did you think this discussion and this particular forum was something else?

A well thought out deception does not normally make both parties to the deception look weak and inept

especially look weak and inept to those you need and depend on like China and India etc .

Sometimes a cluster and what looks like incompetence and chaos is exactly what it looks like,

to all who are watching.
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That was my main point to you that your opinions - postings were based on media - news outlet (think of Fox's $787.5 million settlement). And your responses came across as if coming from Sensitive Compartmentalized Information which is in violation of the Espionage Act. From the beginning of my posts, I commented on the reliable circa 771-256 BCE, Art of War by Sun Tzu, still practice today.
 
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