Missing helicopter with 5 Marines aboard

.
My go to hymn for this …. Lifts me up every time …

Abide with me — Henry Francis Lyte

Abide with me; fast falls the eventide;
The darkness deepens; Lord with me abide.
When other helpers fail and comforts flee,
Help of the helpless, O abide with me.

Swift to its close ebbs out life's little day;
Earth's joys grow dim; its glories pass away;
Change and decay in all around I see;
O Thou who changest not, abide with me.

Not a brief glance I beg, a passing word,
But as Thou dwell'st with Thy disciples, Lord,
Familiar, condescending, patient, free.
Come not to sojourn, but abide with me.

Come not in terror, as the King of kings,
But kind and good, with healing in Thy wings;
Tears for all woes, a heart for every plea.
Come, Friend of sinners, thus abide with me.

Thou on my head in early youth didst smile,
And though rebellious and perverse meanwhile,
Thou hast not left me, oft as I left Thee.
On to the close, O Lord, abide with me.

I need Thy presence every passing hour.
What but Thy grace can foil the tempter's power?
Who, like Thyself, my guide and stay can be?
Through cloud and sunshine, Lord, abide with me.

I fear no foe, with Thee at hand to bless;
Ills have no weight, and tears no bitterness.
Where is death's sting? Where, grave, thy victory?
I triumph still, if Thou abide with me.

Hold Thou Thy cross before my closing eyes;
Shine through the gloom and point me to the skies.
Heaven's morning breaks, and earth's vain shadows flee;
In life, in death, O Lord, abide with me.
.
 
Dr. Strange Love said:
“ … Following tradition, fellow Marines have been guarding the remains of the dead since they were located …”
Click to expand...
As I am sure many parents of those at SAs and those parents whose kiddos have moved on to active service, these events and losses always strike a chord close to home.

My mom heart is comforted in some crazy inexplicable way knowing that if the unthinkable happens, he will be honored and guarded by his brothers and sisters in arms.

It is impossible for me when these events occur to not realize our young men and women who we raised to stand up for things that matter, are always at risk.

My heart is with the families, friends and fellow Marines of those who were lost in service.
 
Dr. Strange Love said:
.
My go to hymn for this …. Lifts me up every time …

Abide with me — Henry Francis Lyte

Abide with me; fast falls the eventide;
The darkness deepens; Lord with me abide.
When other helpers fail and comforts flee,
Help of the helpless, O abide with me.

Swift to its close ebbs out life's little day;
Earth's joys grow dim; its glories pass away;
Change and decay in all around I see;
O Thou who changest not, abide with me.

Not a brief glance I beg, a passing word,
But as Thou dwell'st with Thy disciples, Lord,
Familiar, condescending, patient, free.
Come not to sojourn, but abide with me.

Come not in terror, as the King of kings,
But kind and good, with healing in Thy wings;
Tears for all woes, a heart for every plea.
Come, Friend of sinners, thus abide with me.

Thou on my head in early youth didst smile,
And though rebellious and perverse meanwhile,
Thou hast not left me, oft as I left Thee.
On to the close, O Lord, abide with me.

I need Thy presence every passing hour.
What but Thy grace can foil the tempter's power?
Who, like Thyself, my guide and stay can be?
Through cloud and sunshine, Lord, abide with me.

I fear no foe, with Thee at hand to bless;
Ills have no weight, and tears no bitterness.
Where is death's sting? Where, grave, thy victory?
I triumph still, if Thou abide with me.

Hold Thou Thy cross before my closing eyes;
Shine through the gloom and point me to the skies.
Heaven's morning breaks, and earth's vain shadows flee;
In life, in death, O Lord, abide with me.
.
Click to expand...
Thank you!!!!
 
I have family Marine Air still flying and my heart jumps every time I see a news story like this. I want to know who authorized (allowed) a flight into the teeth of a storm over mountain terain to Mirimar. Especially in a CH53. Big Bird but not the best all weather aircraft. And I don't want to hear this "Pilot Error" crap. I always liked "Immortality" by Clare Harner. That and Taps always starts my allergies
 
Last edited:
We don't know the exact cause of the crash yet, but it appears very likely it had to do with weather. Unfortunate as the situation is, every aircraft commander has the authority and responsibility to make a go/no-go decision after analyzing all aspects of the mission. We'll have to wait and see what the accident review board says.
 
.
The storm they met was intense .... The storm intensity measures are available.

If they would have waited, then the problem becomes easier, and we could have had a favorable outcome
.
 
Last edited:
gonavy14 said:
We don't know the exact cause of the crash yet, but it appears very likely it had to do with weather. Unfortunate as the situation is, every aircraft commander has the authority and responsibility to make a go/no-go decision after analyzing all aspects of the mission. We'll have to wait and see what the accident review board says.
Click to expand...
I was wondering about this. Is the aircraft commander the pilot? I was wondering if the pilot has the authority to say ‘nope’, or do they have to fly if ordered to do so.
 
justdoit19 said:
I was wondering about this. Is the aircraft commander the pilot? I was wondering if the pilot has the authority to say ‘nope’, or do they have to fly if ordered to do so.
Click to expand...
One thing I have noticed with my military family members. There are things they "control" that are out of their control.
 
(from the Alumni Association):

Shipmates,

I am writing to share the tragic news that the Naval Academy alumni community has lost Capt Miguel Nava, USMC, in the crash of a CH-53E Super Stallion helicopter on Tuesday, 6 February, in California.

Miguel was a graduate of the USNA Class of 2017, and a member of the 22nd Company.

Miguel was a husband, a father, a son, a brother, a friend…and a Marine. We join his wife, Ryann, 5-month-old son, Luca, his brother, Nikolas, and parents Lisa and Javier Nava in mourning his loss, and the loss of his four fellow Marines from the Flying Tigers of Marine Heavy Helicopter Squadron (HMH 361). Also perishing in the crash were: Capt Benjamin Moulton, 27, USMC; Capt Jack Casey, 26, USMC; LCpl Donovan Davis, 21, USMC; and Sgt Alec Langen, 23, USMC.

Miguel is the only member of '17 in Memorial Hall.
 
justdoit19 said:
I was wondering about this. Is the aircraft commander the pilot? I was wondering if the pilot has the authority to say ‘nope’, or do they have to fly if ordered to do so.
Click to expand...
The aircraft commander is a pilot. There are two pilots in the cockpit. The HAC, (Helicopter Aircraft Commander), pronounced “hack” in aviation parlance, is responsible for the overall conduct and safety of the flight. There is only one HAC, the other pilot is the co-pilot. Being a HAC a is an all-encompassing responsibility from pre-flight planning to debriefing the flight afterwards. Prior to the flight the HAC would have “signed” for the aircraft in the ADB, (aircraft discrepancy book) acknowledging the operational condition of the bird. The HAC’s signature on the “A” sheet in the ADB is acceptance of responsibility for the aircraft and flight. In this case the HAC could have decided not to launch based on his own personal judgement. A crew can be ordered to fly due to “operational necessity” which is defined as: A mission associated with war or peacetime operations in which the consequences of an action justify accepting the risk of loss of aircraft and crew. There was no operational necessity here.
 
WT Door said:
The aircraft commander is a pilot. There are two pilots in the cockpit. The HAC, (Helicopter Aircraft Commander), pronounced “hack” in aviation parlance, is responsible for the overall conduct and safety of the flight. There is only one HAC, the other pilot is the co-pilot. Being a HAC a is an all-encompassing responsibility from pre-flight planning to debriefing the flight afterwards. Prior to the flight the HAC would have “signed” for the aircraft in the ADB, (aircraft discrepancy book) acknowledging the operational condition of the bird. The HAC’s signature on the “A” sheet in the ADB is acceptance of responsibility for the aircraft and flight. In this case the HAC could have decided not to launch based on his own personal judgement. A crew can be ordered to fly due to “operational necessity” which is defined as: A mission associated with war or peacetime operations in which the consequences of an action justify accepting the risk of loss of aircraft and crew. There was no operational necessity here.
Click to expand...
Thank you for this. Very informative.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top