Hello I’m currently an MS3 and deciding to drop AROTC, I am contracted and have 4 year scholarship. I worked hard for the Scholarship I was told I couldn’t do it. I failed the APFT because of my height/weight though I scored a 280. I failed tape. But manage to pass by tape and contract. I did the motions and when MS3 and leadership changed it all went to ****. PT wasn’t as hard thus losing weight was hard and being a STEM major made it even harder. I haven’t gotten paid since last semester and “hopefully” the ARMY does actually pay me I show up to PT and perform to the best of my abilities. I am deciding to quit because of the Toxic leadership. If you look like Mr. Hollywood and have a degree where skipping classes gets you A’s. Instead of busting your rump giving your all for ROTCat the expense of your timing studying as a mathematician. Yet your peers don’t show up to PT and they are fine but when you don’t all he’ll breaks loose. Well I’ll say that I wanted to enlist them do OCS but first payoff the ROTC scholarship. But I want to chose Air Force as my enlistment. Is it possible?
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If you fail to meet the body mass standards no service will let you in. It's almost in stone.....ALL the services have them. Does not matter if you pass the PFT or whatever the particular fitness test is called, if you don't meet Body Fat Standards no getting in, and you do then get tested and fail, you end up with a General discharge for "unsuitability" most times.
I passed the APFT contracted my MS1 but heading to my 3rd year was a complete 180 and how saw things being run. The bias with degrees such as Criminal Justice now not hating on the actual degree but at my University they usually skip class, party, and show up when they feel like it. My peers as MS3 cadre doesn’t give af also the new COC literally killed morale where MS1&2s are no longer here. There are more MS3s than 2s. I have put up soldiered on but got screwed by the ARMY and I haven’t gotten paid since last semester till now. And as an MS3 I’m repeating a vicious cycle of failing a class that is a pre req to other classes that I’ve took already. I’m paying out of pocket and never received and sort of assistance. I spoke they lost my file while everyone is out partying it up.
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I will say it again....no matter the reason, the services generally DO NOT waive Body Fat Standards period. It does not matter if you are stressed or having classmate or leadership issues, you are supposed to overcome those, and they are not disqualifying. In your first post you said you failed to meet Body Fat Standards, and that is going to be your problem. Sorry, but all the Services became very tough on Body Fat Standards in the late 1980's and it has gotten worse since then. The ONLY time I have seen the Body Fat Standards "temporarily" waived was for a shipmate who had major surgery and could not exercise. He was put on "probation", could not promote, transfer, or go to advance school until he came into conformance with the regs.
Sorry, but IMHO, they are not going to give a hoot about your personal problems, only the Body Fat Standards. Maybe someone on these Boards with a little more current knowledge can advise better, but I saw a lot of people either not re-enlist because of their weight and the possible not getting an Honorable Discharge, and many others who were actually discharged in the early 90's with General Discharges for not being able to come into compliance with the Body Fat Standards.
I think you will have a issue trying to enlist or go to OCS....just my opinion. Get into conformance first, then try.
Sorry, but IMHO, they are not going to give a hoot about your personal problems, only the Body Fat Standards. Maybe someone on these Boards with a little more current knowledge can advise better, but I saw a lot of people either not re-enlist because of their weight and the possible not getting an Honorable Discharge, and many others who were actually discharged in the early 90's with General Discharges for not being able to come into compliance with the Body Fat Standards.
I think you will have a issue trying to enlist or go to OCS....just my opinion. Get into conformance first, then try.
Things have changed a lot, @Impulsive, since the 90's. 
You cannot fail the AF PFT for waist measurement component failure. I.e. you CAN pass the fitness test if your waist is >39 inches. There is no other consideration given on the AF PFT for body fat composition.
As for discharages due to fitness test failures, the folks I know were simply not allowed to re-enlist. Therefore, they generally received honorable discharges. This is since 2006/2007 when the AF fitness test failures started being enforced.
OP, talk to an AFROTC detachment and see if they bite. If not, you're looking at OTS, WOCS, or OCS and those can be a b$#@%! to get into as a civilian applicant.
Same fitness standards apply to officers AND enlisted, though, so you would not get different results from the enlisted side.
Just a warning-- you WILL require a waiver to commission USAF. Per AFI 36-2005, previous disenrollment from any branch's officer training program is a DQ. The waiver isn't hard-- it just requires time. And that waiver is for all AF commissioning routes-- OTS, USAFA, and ROTC.
You cannot fail the AF PFT for waist measurement component failure. I.e. you CAN pass the fitness test if your waist is >39 inches. There is no other consideration given on the AF PFT for body fat composition.
As for discharages due to fitness test failures, the folks I know were simply not allowed to re-enlist. Therefore, they generally received honorable discharges. This is since 2006/2007 when the AF fitness test failures started being enforced.
OP, talk to an AFROTC detachment and see if they bite. If not, you're looking at OTS, WOCS, or OCS and those can be a b$#@%! to get into as a civilian applicant.
Same fitness standards apply to officers AND enlisted, though, so you would not get different results from the enlisted side.
Just a warning-- you WILL require a waiver to commission USAF. Per AFI 36-2005, previous disenrollment from any branch's officer training program is a DQ. The waiver isn't hard-- it just requires time. And that waiver is for all AF commissioning routes-- OTS, USAFA, and ROTC.
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Thanks @Tbxece, I was in the CG when this was going on and they simply used Body Fat standards, men had be less than 24% and women 27% if I remember correctly. They didn't care what your PFT scores were, just what you Body Fat computed to. Then they Page 7'd you, put you on probation and if you didn't lose the weight your were either not allowed to re-enlist or separated. I'm glad they have other ways now, a lot of good people were sort of forced out.
It did get waived I pass
Yes ! I rambled and being unclear. At that time I failed HT/WT passed the physical aspect always thought it was questionable about passing the physical aspect and fail the height and weight when in the name is Army Physical Fit Test not Army PhysicalHT/WT Fit Test but what do I know I’m just a stupid idiot. Though currently I passed weight thus made height and weight. Lol as for Tbpxce thank you If it doesn’t work out and I’m stuck as an enlisted that’s fine as well. It 0130AM heading to bed for and hourThings have changed a lot, @Impulsive, since the 90's.
You cannot fail the AF PFT for waist measurement component failure. I.e. you CAN pass the fitness test if your waist is >39 inches. There is no other consideration given on the AF PFT for body fat composition.
As for discharages due to fitness test failures, the folks I know were simply not allowed to re-enlist. Therefore, they generally received honorable discharges. This is since 2006/2007 when the AF fitness test failures started being enforced.
OP, talk to an AFROTC detachment and see if they bite. If not, you're looking at OTS, WOCS, or OCS and those can be a b$#@%! to get into as a civilian applicant.
Same fitness standards apply to officers AND enlisted, though, so you would not get different results from the enlisted side.
Just a warning-- you WILL require a waiver to commission USAF. Per AFI 36-2005, previous disenrollment from any branch's officer training program is a DQ. The waiver isn't hard-- it just requires time. And that waiver is for all AF commissioning routes-- OTS, USAFA, and ROTC.
@Implusive a good buddy of mine 68W got out due to that weight. At that time I was 17 he was a hard worker but had a wide waist (not fat but wide) and a thin neck it was bad because they switched him with someone that constantly choked
There was a brief period with the AF PFT where you could get max points on your waist score if your BMI was <25, but that made too much sense, so they got rid of it. A 4'11" woman with a 35" waist is just as fit as a 6'1" woman with the same waist size, you see...
Oh wow, that logical. As a tall girl... taller = bigger.
Just a couple observations.
Why are you concerned about getting paid? When you drop the program you're going to have to pay the Army back.
How is this an issue caused by the Army?
What does that even mean?
What is a 3/4 year scholarship? Do you mean that you have received 3 out of the 4 year's scholarship payments for tuition.?
Have you sat down and figured out what the total amount you will be that you will have to pay back?
I am assuming that English os not your first language, do you feel that it's been more difficult to navigate ROTC?
Again, it may just be me but this seems to be another first time post that comes close to not passing the sniff test. Guess I've become cynical through the years on this board.
My bet is OP is attending the University of Guam, given the "going to bed at 0130" comment given at 0130 Guam time.
OP, if that is the case, you just dumped a ton of tangential PII on here that makes it pretty easy to ID you. Hopefully, that is not the case.
To any other folks (especially those of you in, or about to begin officer training) that feel compelled to post in this forum, please be careful with the amount of personal information you put into the public domain. Especially if you are complaining about your ROTC leadership, military staff, your supervisor, political leaders, or that dirtbag in your platoon. You can easily cheese off the wrong person who can pretty quickly put things together and narrow down on who you are, or at least a good enough description of you for someone who knows you to make the positive ID.
It's not hard to look up ROTC detachment/brigade phone numbers and make a courtesy call...
OP, if that is the case, you just dumped a ton of tangential PII on here that makes it pretty easy to ID you. Hopefully, that is not the case.
To any other folks (especially those of you in, or about to begin officer training) that feel compelled to post in this forum, please be careful with the amount of personal information you put into the public domain. Especially if you are complaining about your ROTC leadership, military staff, your supervisor, political leaders, or that dirtbag in your platoon. You can easily cheese off the wrong person who can pretty quickly put things together and narrow down on who you are, or at least a good enough description of you for someone who knows you to make the positive ID.
It's not hard to look up ROTC detachment/brigade phone numbers and make a courtesy call...
I have no idea what you are going through so I cant really comment. However, if PT isnt as hard anymore, why dont you work out on your own. You should remember the old progam, it shouldnt be so hart to replicate it. Secondly, I understand that other people have more lenient majors or can get away with murder. So what?" How does this affect you. Worry about your own major and it you dont mess up like not missing PT, you wont get into trouble. That fact that someone can miss PT without getting into trouble and you cant isnt fair. However, if you dont miss PT, it wont be a problem. If you fail a class, it isnt Rotc fault. YOu seems to be worrying about other people. Again, I wont deny it isnt fair but who ever said life was fair. You are going find yourself in situations in the future either civilan or military, where the supervisor is an idiot and favors one person over another. You cant get away from that. You just need to deal with it
Excellent point. PT is not designed to get you in better shape, it's designed to keep you in shape. If you want to improve you absolutely need to work out on your own.
Hey guys appreciate the feedback. I thank all of you I was in a bad funk. I know that enlisted hated officers because they were kids with degrees with no experience give it garrison/combat. I wanted to have a feel of the enlisted life (I know it’s going to suck a lot) but that experience of what they went through can give me a piece of mind to what I can expect. I want to lead and care for soldiers without overstepping or abusing. Let’s be honest the NCO is the one with experience and was set to a high standard. While the officer with a degree and doesn’t have a clue how the real Army operates. I didn’t know of OCS till it was late in the game. It pondered my mind but those who was prior doing the ROTC gig had it figured something I should’ve done before being pressured doing Education/ROTC but yeah enough BS I just got to remember that 15% that I love like crack. While 85% is some Boool**** lol thanks to this thread it kept me good
Sniff test?