New Navy Regs…Will this apply at USNA?

usnabgo08 said:
I’d agree with nuensis about lack of caring for uniform regulations…like why do aviators wear the flight suit in a non-flying duty status (orders) if flight suits are considered organizational clothing and are only to be worn for the purpose they are designed for (i.e. flying, flight line work, etc.)?
Click to expand...

I think it is mainly a function of the Navy being steeped in tradition and Naval Aviation having its own set of norms/traditions when it comes to uniforms. Flight suits are what set Naval Aviation apart from other communities just like the sub sweater for submariners and ordies saying IYAOYAS. Additionally, it has a lot of the same functions of NWUs: It shows your rank, your name, what command you are part of, and it is something that can be worn for dirty work and an office setting.
 
Wearing a submarine sweater with khakis or coveralls is authorized. Wearing a flight suit when not flying or engaged in flight-related duties that working day is unauthorized.

Here we see a culture difference between the nukes and the aviators--the nukes bothered to change the black and white.
 
Usnavy2019 said:
I think it is mainly a function of the Navy being steeped in tradition and Naval Aviation having its own set of norms/traditions when it comes to uniforms. Flight suits are what set Naval Aviation apart from other communities just like the sub sweater for submariners and ordies saying IYAOYAS. Additionally, it has a lot of the same functions of NWUs: It shows your rank, your name, what command you are part of, and it is something that can be worn for dirty work and an office setting.
Click to expand...
FWIW, I was a staff officer for a CVBG where flight suits in non-aviation related duties became an issue. The CAG who had been a firstie when I was a plebe and fairly well known throughout the brigade because reasons was told that "The Boss" (CVBG Commander) wanted everyone attending the Morning Brief to be in Khakis. The issue was mostly resolved before I came aboard but there was clearly resentment which was evident even though we were in some very serious real world situations at the time.
Names withheld but if you look even a little, the identities are findable for these two pretty prominent folks.

PS: The CVBG Commander had been the Commandant's Conduct Officer when I was a 2/C mid and was known to be a stickler for
uniforms which was still true when I reported to his staff as a CDR and he was a RDML.
 
Aviators are VERY sensitive about their flight suits.

It’s like they lose their identity if they have to wear a regular uniform.

O-Club at MCAS Iwakuni during Friday night happy hour always looked like a scene from West Side Story - us ground guys in utilities & air wingers in their Nomex pajamas.

Always felt sorry for the non-aviators assigned to the wing…they were like outsiders looking in 😎!
 
Oh, it always irked me that our pilot and observer got to "rest" before flights. I worked 12 hour shifts for 4 months straight with no days off (no kidding either) keeping their planes flightworthy so their happy azzes could do a 3 - 4 hour flight every day or two while in Desert Storm.
 
GrilledCheese94 said:
Aviators are VERY sensitive about their flight suits.

It’s like they lose their identity if they have to wear a regular uniform.

O-Club at MCAS Iwakuni during Friday night happy hour always looked like a scene from West Side Story - us ground guys in utilities & air wingers in their Nomex pajamas.

Always felt sorry for the non-aviators assigned to the wing…they were like outsiders looking in 😎!
Click to expand...
Iwakuni, now that brings back memories. Wednesday night Mongolian BBQ in the 90’s…I would kill for that now.
 
Then it comes down to who has the top "Wings" designation on those flight suits'. But those in the air did need those controllers on the ground with "wings" to find those orbiting Tanker Anchor flights to make that RTB. Try as they might they could never find them on their own.;)
 
WestCoastRefugee said:
Iwakuni, now that brings back memories. Wednesday night Mongolian BBQ in the 90’s…I would kill for that now.
Click to expand...
I was there '95-'98 right before they started the expansion project.

Had the ONLY surprise birthday party I've ever had there.

Good times indeed!
 
We where definitly a sight and not ready for inspection. Covers dripping rain, Jungle Boots and socks tied around the neck under the Poncho while navigating drainage ditches from Hooch to duty station. Jungle fatigues rolled up to the knees and flip flops on the feet reporting in for shift. It was great to be young.:D
 
New email: we are allowed to have hands in pockets.




Brigade,

NAVADMIN 031/24 issues several uniform updates to the Fleet, and they apply immediately to active duty staff and faculty assigned to USNA.

As USNA is a unique collegiate and training command, Midshipmen uniform regulations are governed by our Uniform Regulations Manual.

Now that NAVADMIN 031/24 is released, we will convene our Uniform Review Board and follow the process to update USNA Uniform Regulations. This process considers feasibility of issue (funding), sustainment of issue, and overall appearance of the Brigade.

Until USNA Uniform Regulations are updated (perhaps 3-4 weeks, maybe longer), the changes in NAVADMIN 031/24 do not apply to USNA midshipmen, but with one exception.

As the “hands in pockets” is a no-cost change, that is allowed immediately, but with two caveats:
  1. USMC regulations apply to all MIDN (Marine-Selects) when in USMC uniforms, and USMC regulations do NOT allow hands in pockets.
  2. We may prescribe special events where hands in pockets are not allowed, but it will be permitted during the average Ac Year day.
 
Devil Doc said:
I'm a huge proponent of these changes. It's about time. Especially the boat cloak for female Marines. About time.

View attachment 15478

www.marinecorpstimes.com

Sea bag tanker jacket, boat cloak for women proposed for Marine uniforms

The commandant made one recommendation before voting got underway: to eliminate the requirement for women to wear pantyhose with dress uniform skirts.
www.marinecorpstimes.com www.marinecorpstimes.com
Click to expand...
MY understanding is the Boat Cloak comes with a set of vampire fangs ; )
I have only seen these in photos never in person.
 
I have never once in my life walked around with hands in my pant pockets, nor can I imagine wanting to. Hands in coat pockets in cold weather - absolutely.
 
usna1985 said:
I have never once in my life walked around with hands in my pant pockets, nor can I imagine wanting to. Hands in coat pockets in cold weather - absolutely.
Click to expand...
I went through Great Lakes starting in December. "Hands in pockets" was legit announced over the 1MC each day due to the weather. We wore everything in our seabag at one point, I swear. "Peacoats, collars up, watch caps, ski masks, scarves, gloves, hands in pockets."
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top