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rimon76

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Hello all,

I received a nomination to USMA and it was updated on my portal in early January. Strange thing is that I now have two nominations. it lists two nominations from the same source (MOC). I was under the impression this couldn't happen. Is this a fluke? Should I be concerned?
 
Your MOC apparently submitted 2 slates because they had more than one opening. You shouldn't be concerned. This is a good thing.
 
A MOC can have 5 appointees charged to the district at any point in time. Since there are four class years, each MOC will have two slates every few years if nominations are managed properly.

You won the MOC lottery. Your district did not have enough candidates to fill two slates and you received nominations for both slates - you doubled your chances of winning the district.
 
Is it possible the second nomination is from one of your senators? I’ve never heard of getting 2 nominations from the same source.
 
usmajy said:
Is it possible the second nomination is from one of your senators? I’ve never heard of getting 2 nominations from the same source.
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It is quite possible to get two nominations from one source, but not on the same slate.

The nomination will state what district the nomination is from - for example NY18, CA51, etc. If there are two nominations from the same source, it means the source had more than one slate.
 
jl123 said:
A MOC can have 5 appointees charged to the district at any point in time. Since there are four class years, each MOC will have two slates every few years if nominations are managed properly.

You won the MOC lottery. Your district did not have enough candidates to fill two slates and you received nominations for both slates - you doubled your chances of winning the district.
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I thought they had 5 ... the four class years and the incoming class.

I thought two states would be caused by one of the previous appointments charged to the MOC left the SA.
 
A1Janitor said:
jl123 said:
A MOC can have 5 appointees charged to the district at any point in time. Since there are four class years, each MOC will have two slates every few years if nominations are managed properly.

You won the MOC lottery. Your district did not have enough candidates to fill two slates and you received nominations for both slates - you doubled your chances of winning the district.
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I thought they had 5 ... the four class years and the incoming class.

I thought two states would be caused by one of the previous appointments charged to the MOC left the SA.
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They can have 5 attending and charged to them at the same time - there is no law regarding how they are distributed. SA's educate MOC's very well on the process so normally MOC's have one slate per year and two slates every fourth year.

Not all of those appointed from a MOC's slate are charged to them - a candidate may be nominated by a MOC, but then appointed as a Qualified Alternate (QA) or Additional Appointee (AA). QA's are the top 150 from the National Waiting List in order of merit. AA's are the remaining 200-400, not necessarily in order of merit. QA's and AA's use the MOC's nomination, but do not count against the five slots.
 
Our MOC's 2022 USNA appointee left last September. Will our MOC have two spots for the class of 2023?
 
jl123 said:
A1Janitor said:
jl123 said:
A MOC can have 5 appointees charged to the district at any point in time. Since there are four class years, each MOC will have two slates every few years if nominations are managed properly.

You won the MOC lottery. Your district did not have enough candidates to fill two slates and you received nominations for both slates - you doubled your chances of winning the district.
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I thought they had 5 ... the four class years and the incoming class.

I thought two states would be caused by one of the previous appointments charged to the MOC left the SA.
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They can have 5 attending and charged to them at the same time - there is no law regarding how they are distributed. SA's educate MOC's very well on the process so normally MOC's have one slate per year and two slates every fourth year.

Not all of those appointed from a MOC's slate are charged to them - a candidate may be nominated by a MOC, but then appointed as a Qualified Alternate (QA) or Additional Appointee (AA). QA's are the top 150 from the National Waiting List in order of merit. AA's are the remaining 200-400, not necessarily in order of merit. QA's and AA's use the MOC's nomination, but do not count against the five slots.
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Generally speaking, MOC put forward a slate every year. And it’s possible that they have more than one nom appointed (QA or AA) that aren’t charged to them.

So the question is how does an MOC get another slate?

The number of slots available varies with each year depending upon the cadets/midshipmen currently enlisted.

Here are some ways:

1. They didn’t use one of their slates in previous years. Someone more knowledgeable can tell me how often this occurs. Based on the process I was involved in ... and what I see in this site ... it seems possible but unlikely to me.

2. One of the cadets charged to them in previous years no longer attends and therefore opens another slate for them. Graduation rates are about 90% ... so 10% of cadets don’t graduate, potentially opening a spot.

3. One of my assumptions is that the SA fills the MOC spots before they deal with QA and SA. I guess it’s possible all of their noms aren’t qualified ... so they retain the spot going forward?
 
Our DD received a nomination from our MOC and Senator for USAFA. We heard that a recruited athlete was appointed to USAFA from the same MOC. Does this mean our DD is out of luck for an appointment from the MOC slate if there is only one for that MOC?
 
RobertGDog said:
Our DD received a nomination from our MOC and Senator for USAFA. We heard that a recruited athlete was appointed to USAFA from the same MOC. Does this mean our DD is out of luck for an appointment from the MOC slate if there is only one for that MOC?
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I was told by our MOC that there was a recruited football player in our district that we were competing against. He said that recruited athletes don’t go against the MOC’s slate.

Whether he is right is for someone else to chime in on. He did tell me that.
 
Resolving the slates is more of an Art than a Science. There is no one answer to many of these questions and we generally talk about how the process usually works and not the special cases.

I have seen a district that has ZERO cadets attending West Point at the present so theoretically they have five slates this year if they had candidates. I also see districts that have 10-12 candidates get appointments.

For recruited athletes, it depends if they are just recruited or "Blue-Chipped". Recruited athletes compete on the nomination slate just like everyone else and must win the slate. They may have some preferential treatment when the class is filled out with the Additional Appointees at the end of the process. Blue Chipped athletes do not typically compete on a slate and will usually get an offer if they complete the process. Sometimes they are given Superintendent nominations and do not need to apply to other sources.

The best advice to any applicant is to apply to all nominations that they are eligible, put forth the best application possible, and do not worry about things outside your control.

If USMA really wants you, they will usually find a place for you.
 
So if DS has two green checkmarks, with two listed nominations, both from KY62, that means he got a nomination to 2 slates for our senator?? That's pretty cool!
 
When submitting a ranked slate, a smart MOC puts recruited athletes with LOA's at the bottom of the ranking. This maximizes the opportunities for the other nominees in the district and avoids the perception of unfair dealing.
 
Overwhelmed said:
Our MOC's 2022 USNA appointee left last September. Will our MOC have two spots for the class of 2023?
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Probably not. In most cases, that spot will not be used until 2022 graduates because if they shift it to another class, that MOC will have a year with no slots available which is to be avoided.
 
Google: 32 CFR Part 575 Admission to the United States Military Academy

Specifically section 575.3 appointments; sources of nominations

It gives you all the details.
 
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