Nomination Question

[Michael_T]

Good Morning to All,

I have a quick question, maybe some feedback would be helpful... I plan to go to college out of my state of Residence, currently Indiana - I MAY be going to Norwich in Vermont... If so, my dad would stay behind in Indiana...

When I reapply to USNA, maybe a stupid question... but which state would I see the nomination from?

Thanks!

 

[Capt MJ]

Good Morning to All,

I have a quick question, maybe some feedback would be helpful... I plan to go to college out of my state of Residence, currently Indiana - I MAY be going to Norwich in Vermont... If so, my dad would stay behind in Indiana...

When I reapply to USNA, maybe a stupid question... but which state would I see the nomination from?

Thanks!

State of residence.

 

[justdoit19]

Good Morning to All,

I have a quick question, maybe some feedback would be helpful... I plan to go to college out of my state of Residence, currently Indiana - I MAY be going to Norwich in Vermont... If so, my dad would stay behind in Indiana...

When I reapply to USNA, maybe a stupid question... but which state would I see the nomination from?

Thanks!

There are reapplicant thread stickies, also nomination thread stickies. And of course, usna.edu has info for reapplicants and nomination instructions. Great info.

 

[OldRetSWO]

Good Morning to All,

I have a quick question, maybe some feedback would be helpful... I plan to go to college out of my state of Residence, currently Indiana - I MAY be going to Norwich in Vermont... If so, my dad would stay behind in Indiana...

When I reapply to USNA, maybe a stupid question... but which state would I see the nomination from?

Thanks!

As Capt MJ said, it is the state of residence. That said, some students change their state of residence to that of their school for a variety of reasons, most notably in-state tuition. I've seen political parties work very hard to register college students to vote in the area of the colleges and some of them are claiming new residences to do so. The definitions on this are not always clear but generally, I'd recommend changing things like drivers license, voter registration and addresses for banks, etc as a way to show that you reside in a new place.

 

[usna1985]

A change of residence just for USNA nom purposes is more complicated for college students than you might think. There are typically five elements of residency: (1) where you own / rent a home, (2) where you pay taxes, (3) where you are registered to vote, (4) where your car is registered, and (5) where you have a driver's license. The more you have, the more likely the old and new state will recognize the change.

Generally, you can't establish residency until you have proof of a new address. Proof includes a rental agreement or utility bills in your name at the new address. That could be difficult to do if you're in a college dorm but, in any case, it will be hard until you're actually on campus. Ditto with driver's license and car - and that's if you have a car at college -- most freshmen don't. Yes, you can register to vote, but that alone doesn't create residency.

A complicating factor could be if your parents claim you as a dependent on their taxes. I'm not a tax advisor, so I don't know whether/ how your establishing residency in another state affects that, but you and your parents should figure it out.

If you're applying for a nom, you would have to wait until you have established residency in the new state to start applying. Many MOCs have deadlines in Sept. or Oct., and you may not have time to get residency changed before applications are due. Also, MOC committees aren't stupid -- how excited are they going to be to give a nom someone who established residency in their state less than a month before and (if they get the nom) will likely leave their state in a few months?

Per the above, colleges often will not give you in-state tuition if you change residency after showing up -- o/w they'd be giving all upperclass in-state tuition. So check that out as well.

Finally, USNA considers your residency to remain with your parent(s) (or wherever it was when you applied the first time) unless you provide proof to them that it's changed.

Thus, if you want to change residency for non-USNA reasons, then do so if it makes sense. But it VERY hard to do it for USNA purposes.

 

[OldRetSWO]

Per the above, colleges often will not give you in-state tuition if you change residency after showing up -- o/w they'd be giving all upperclass in-state tuition. So check that out as well.

That sparks some unpleasant memories. When I was stationed in Norfolk, wife 1.0 was in a degree program at ODU and was told that as a military spouse, she had to pay out of state tuition. She appealed based on us owning a home in Virginia Beach, her car and license being in Virginia and her being a registered voter in Virginia. Her appeal was denied - the state felt that as a military spouse who was not originally a state resident, she was not going to stay afterward.

 

[usna1985]

I've had a state school claim I wasn't a legal resident when I was paying state income tax to that state and had been continuously for the prior 15 years! Thankfully, the point became moot when I chose a different school.

Every state has benefits and drawbacks to residency (some have more of one than the other!). What states don't like is people trying to take advantage of the benefits while not subjecting themselves to the drawbacks and / or people who set up short-term residency to take advantage of a particular benefit. States (and colleges) are well aware of the mechanisms people use to "manipulate" residency and will sometimes even deny claims that on their surface meet all of the requirements (such as the one mentioned directly above).

For SA purposes, it's really hard to change your state of residency for nomination purposes after you've started the application process. Normally, that occurs only when the family actually moves, not when the candidate alone moves.

 

[OldRetSWO]

For SA purposes, it's really hard to change your state of residency for nomination purposes after you've started the application process. Normally, that occurs only when the family actually moves, not when the candidate alone moves.

Concur. That said, I do know of cases where it was able to be done and generally its folks who start off in places like Northern Virginia where the competition for nominations is absolutely white-hot and are trying desperately to find a different route.

 

[Goal2004]

Good Morning to All,

I have a quick question, maybe some feedback would be helpful... I plan to go to college out of my state of Residence, currently Indiana - I MAY be going to Norwich in Vermont... If so, my dad would stay behind in Indiana...

When I reapply to USNA, maybe a stupid question... but which state would I see the nomination from?

Thanks!

Not an stupid question, if you don’t know ask.